We are going to end up with a Conservative government AGAIN at this rate, is that ok with everyone?

[MentholLoad]

following a thread on AIBU I think about who would vote Tories again.....the main (only?) reason people are citing for voting Tories is the GC issue. Women totally abandoning social politics over a singular issue. declaring nothing else matters, if Labour can't get this right then, they won't vote for them

I can't work out if these people were Conservative voter's anyway/actually do agree that Conservative policy and practice generally, is in our best interests compared with Labour

OR they are prioritising GC issues above and at the exclusion of all else? because alot more women will have a lot more issues, if we have yet another round of Conservative Government

And they are ignoring that Labour (finally!) defined women as adult human female

AND ignoring that this whole debacle has happened under the Tories 🤷🏼‍♀️

Labour stand for nothing at the moment. No ideas, nothing to excite me. In the words of Rishi - you can't borrow your way out of inflation.

I'm thoroughly sick of exciting government.

Give me boring, competent government.

Keir starmer has
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/keir-starmer-labour-woman-anneliese-dodds-b2382675.html

(To be fair he did miss out the word "human" but I don't think anyone's about to start referring to mares, hens and cows as "women")

Exactly it’s just more meaningless word soup

Redressed

@MentholLoad I'm ok with that, given that no party opposed lockdown. If any party had opposed it, I'd be voting for them now instead. We're in the shit now largely because of lockdown. While MN was collectively gasping about "staying the fuck at home", everything else was going tits up. I had a thread deleted at the time because it "wasn't in the spirit" (i.e. it said what a fucking stupid idea lockdown was).

Conservative changes made in 2020. I haven't heard Sunak suggest rolling these back.

The Government does not intend to change the criteria in the GRA for legal gender recognition, meaning a system based on self-declaration is not being introduced. Elizabeth Truss said: “it is the Government’s view that the balance struck in [the GRA] is correct, in that there are proper checks and balances in the system and also support for people who want to change their legal sex.”

The Minister acknowledged the need to improve the process and experience transgender people have when applying for a GRC, to make it: “kinder and more straightforward.” She said the Government’s proposed changes would address the main concerns transgender people had expressed. The GRC application process is to be moved online and the fee has been reduced from £140 to £5.
Elizabeth Truss said the Government would improve access to healthcare for transgender people, who had reported that waiting lists at NHS gender clinics are too long.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9079/#:~:text=Government%20response%20to%20the%20consultation%202020&text=The%20Government%20does%20not%20intend,declaration%20is%20not%20being%20introduced.

I will be voting tactically to get the Tories out, so that means Lib Dems.

I do believe that the Tories will use the 'Gender' debate a bit like 'the boats' - they will pretend to care and shout a lot, use a lot of word soup yet do absolutely nothing to solve the issues.

All this 'noise' will distract from tackling other issues e.g. NHS funding, Education funding, social care, housing, childcare, transport, sorting out trade with the EU ..........

The tories will sound like they care on gender ideology but will use it as a crass voting scare tactic.

The Tories literally don't care about anyone - they don't care about women, they don't care about poor people, they don't care about northerners, they don't care about the Welsh or Scottish......................and the list goes on
They only care about being in power and money.

Your going to hate this, but Stammer has the ick factor.!
He wants to be an alpha, he should have it all but he is another John Major, a sidekick Robin not a Badman.
Do you understand , it is like when Labour choose the wrong brother, and lost a sure win.

Politics is about the person we think can Lead us, so petty but so true, once the ICK full sets in , it is hard to stop, and men are now feeling it towards Stammer too.
Labour need a vote winner, but it is like they just can't find one.... how about no road tax and slightly more tax on fuel, so it is pay as you drive.

Sunaks government put Trans back into the Conversion Therapy Bill. Why?

Sunak gave Gillian TWAW Keegan the education post. Why?

Sunak's Tories put Jamie Wallis on the Women's and Equality Com. Why?

I do think labour should have made the pact with the lib Dems! This could have sent the Tories packing for many cycles, enough time to undo as much of their damage as possible from the last 13 years. Tory scandal after scandal . How many of them have been sacked for sexual abuse over their administration....

Andrew Griffiths -raped his wife
Imran Ahmad Khan - assaulted a teenager
Neil Parish watched pornography in the house of commons
Charlie Elphicke rape
Rob roberts -unwanted sexual advances Chris Pincher -groper
David Warburton sexual harrassment and complaints from various women of inappropriate behaviour, cocaine use. Also an unnamed 50 year old Tory arrested for abuse spanning 7 years, misconduct and abuse of power.

And that's just the ones we know about and were easy to find!

Enjoy voting for your party of misogynists. I even have experienced the misogyny from one of their former leaders first hand as per my post upthread!!

Sunak's Tories put Jamie Wallis on the Women's and Equality Com. Why?

Did they?? I missed that
I'm proper

My politics are fairly central. It will be a battle between Lib Dem and Tories where I live and at the moment I think I will vote Tory for two reasons.

Firstly, the Lib Dems are no friend to women, and can't even define what one is. Secondly, I am very keen to avoid a landslide for any single party. I am sick of parties gaining power and then doing whatever the fuck they want to for the next four years. I want politicians to have to work together and find compromises on all issues.

So the gender stuff is a key deciding factor for me in this very marginal seat. I will be writing to both candidates to tell them this in the run up to the election.

I have had many conversations with my Labour MP. They have a long history of working for women's rights and very much opposes self id and support single sex spaces, over the last 8 years or so. she has raised the issue in parliament on numerous occasions.

she also works on supporting refugees, drug and alcohol, Education etc

That an easy choice then - ignore national stuff and get behind your local Labour MP.

My situation is that I have a Labour MP who is the opposite who I think is a huge part of the problem - so my choice isn't as clear cut.

I don't think Tory are governing well, not convinced Labour will be better with some of the ideas they've floated and local Labour MP is a huge negative. It's no wonder I'm not as sure of my voting really.

That’s generally how voting works …. I decide what is most important to me , and you decide what’s important to you. Hope that helps

It’s more than ok with me.

'I was so so so sure Labour were going to win until about a month ago.
OMG how the hell have Labour blown this?
I mean it was an open goal, with no players on the pitch. Do Labour even understand the assignment.'

This probably sums it up.

I want a change of govt. We NEED a change of government. But Labour couldn't make a more cack-handed job of it if they tried. They seem intent on electoral suicide.

Last time they insisted on a leader they knew the general public disliked and distrusted. Who refused to say what his Brexit policy was. And they got wiped off the board. Now they are doing it again with GC. Why don't they listen?

I'm starting to believe they don't actually want to win. That they quite like voicing student politics while playing at being a wholly ineffectual opposition.

It's infuriating. And yes, they do risk letting the Tories back in.

And yet Rishi Sunak gives you wonderful leader vibes? He comes across to me as a wet slimy sleazy rich boy who is actually not enjoying his role at all and riding on the coattails of others. Plus he has zero idea what it is like for normal people (how could he when he is a billionaire, or at least his wife is!). He has never worked in a normal job a day of his life. But even then, I wouldn't vote for the Tories because I think in 13 years they've shown their hand and done a piss poor job. They have shown a selfish self serving attitude even during a health crisis with people dying in their hundreds and thousands. Plus their contempt for normal working people let alone women (but they are misogynists too as directly experienced)

Tbf, there are several men in the women's and equalities select committee. It's not a post exclusive to women. Wallis isn't a current member, he left in July.

I'd love to know what you think the Tories have done for us.

For me, the 'what is a woman' question speaks to a lot more than just women's rights.

Serving the demands of their Party, their dogma, their activists - putting all those before the interests of their constituents. Do they actually believe a man is a woman? I doubt it - but their young activist Special Advisers / Researchers have told them that this will play well to the public, get them the youth vote, yadda yadda yadda - and they are so without a moral compass that they will parrot the approved Party line. So without independent thought that they will mouth illogical inanities.

Is that the sort of person that I want to have ANY power? No, it is not!

So it doesn't matter what they say about anything else - education, industry, migration, etc. They are proven liars. They will sway in whatever direction lobbyists blow them in. They will ALWAYS tug their forelock to the vested interest and trot along contentedly, never thinking beyond ehat is being spoonfed to them. Whatever claims they make, whatever promises they make, their first instinct is to lie, lie, and lie again.

So no, I will not be voting for such politicians. And I don't care what colour their rosettes are, because that's probably another lie.

I don't intend to vote Conservative.
I don't know yet whether I'll vote Labour again. That will depend on a number of factors, including: their performance at conference this week, their manifesto, the performance of my local candidates at the hustings, whether or not there's a decent SDP or independent candidate, the size of the Labour lead. (I emphatically don't want a hung parliament which lets Ed Davey into the cabinet office.)

Even if I make up my mind well before the election, I have no intention of declaring my intention in advance as my vote is the only bargaining chip I've got. But rest assured that I will have given the decision more thought than any other vote I've made in my entire life and if it doesn't go in Labour's favour then they will have no-one to blame but themselves.

Does nobody take into account how the incumbent party has performed over the past 13 years?

No one?

Purplefoxes 100% agree about the PM.
Hence why Labour should have had a landslide.
But in the last few weeks, I can see and hear people talking about Labour in Real Life, the ICK Ed Miliband created, is following Stammer. He is like the wet blanket at a party, who is making people lose interest in an Election. When ever this apathy appears, the floating voters just vote Tory. This is such bad news for Labour.

The best way I heard it put was this ....
Labour are not winning, the Torys are losing....

Yep, shortly after Sunak became PM. They don't give a shit about women.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4688585-jamie-wallis-and-the-women-and-equalities-committee?reply=121929600

Did you read my post? The one immediately before yours?