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Mouth Almighty Laurence Fox

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Magicpaintbrush · 27/09/2023 10:33

What an odious, misogynist he truly is.

GB News suspends Laurence Fox over comments about journalist Ava Evans - BBC News

He said, of female journalist Ava Evans: "Show me a single self-respecting man that would like to climb into bed with that woman - ever, ever. That little woman has been fed, spoon-fed oppression day after day after day. And she's sat there and I'm going like, 'If I met you in a bar and that was like sentence three, [the] chances of me just walking away are just huge." He then added: "Who'd want to shag that?"

That Little Woman??? Why is he reducing her value to whether or not he would have sex with her - firstly what the fuck has that got to do with her worthiness as a human being or indeed her job as a journalist. Secondly, why is he arrogantly assuming that she WANT to shag him anyway, I've no doubt she wouldn't touch that loathsome prick with a shitty stick.

He also goes on to say ""We need powerful strong, amazing women who make great points for themselves." Sorry, what?? A woman made a point you didn't agree with and the first thing you did was mock, degrade and dehumanise her. Stop back-peddling, it's too late - we see you, you sexist prick.

GB News presenter Laurence Fox. He is seen looking into the camera.

GB News suspends Laurence Fox over comments about journalist Ava Evans

In a segment on the channel, Fox made disparaging remarks about PoliticsJOE reporter Ava Evans.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66932538

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SerafinasGoose · 05/10/2023 11:50

justasking111 · 05/10/2023 10:26

He's now been arrested for something else. His house searched

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12594911/Laurence-Fox-book-GULAGS-bail-arrest.html

He also appears of late to be modelling himself on Eddie Hitler of 'Bottom' fame ...

Good luck with that. Ade Edmondson is a moderately attractive, pleasant-looking sort of guy, whereas who in the hell would want to shag Laurence Fox? 😫

Mouth Almighty Laurence Fox
justasking111 · 05/10/2023 12:07

Setting aside the fact that Fox is infamous thus newsworthy. Are other people who tweet about Ulez supporting the remove them movement having five police officers searching their house and arresting them? If they are, they're invisible to the media or just plain uninteresting.

Channel 4 Packham discussed breaking the law at length. He hasn't been arrested yet .

The thing is the police are now policed not for what you might think important but their incorrectly political what's app, Instagram, FB messenger messages.

justasking111 · 05/10/2023 12:23

You need to look at the bigger picture I'm afraid

SerafinasGoose · 05/10/2023 12:29

Really tired of this odious comparison with the behaviour of Chris Packham. The people (by whom I mean the numerous X and Daily Mail commentators) making this apples and oranges comparison are clearly either being disingenuous, or, if they honestly can't see how these two positions are diametrically different, not engaging their critical faculties.

Fox is an agent provocateur. He one day became embroiled in a throwaway argument about white privilege, realized it made him notorious, and saw a wonderful means of propelling himself constantly into the media. Thus, incidentally, finding himself a purpose and staying relevant in the face of a floundering acting and worse singing career.

Fox IS the news. Fox is stirring up controversy for the sake of it. It's all about Fox. He's set his sights on politics but unfortunately lacks the corresponding degree of articulacy with his fellow wind-up merchants, and lunatic conspiracy theorists. No names necessary.

Fox actively incited people to break the law. He told and showed them which criminal acts to commit (whatever your views happen to be on over-surveillance). He told police where he would be and what he'd be doing. (DUR!) He wanted to be arrested so he could employ DARVO and whip his unthinking, mindless followers up into another frenzy of 'THEY' are coming for us, it'll be you next ...

Compare Packham. Packham doesn't want to generate interest in Packham. (And he's not constantly dropping sexist, racist clangers into the mix). He's not out to hurt particular groups of people. He's not an agent provocateur. He's a passionate advocate of one specific issue (and a compassionate awareness raiser of one other; that being autism). He's asking the question as to 'what if', if the government remain particularly deaf to climate change issues, that it's an emergency of our times, to ask what the responsible course of action is, and that what if people feel compelled to break the law because they're in despair over that concern remaining unanswered - of not being taken seriously as the emergency it is. And his also had his own home torched and his relatives threatened for the privilege. (Who are the real, ominous, aggressors here?)

You can raise all sorts of issues with this: one being the generation of electricity to run these vehicles, of the disposal of batteries, of how 'green' they really are. You can engage in arguments for and against. Packham will take them on. He's capable of intelligent discussion, rather than daft conspiracy theories and soundbites. Meantime, he's pursuing a LEGAL recourse (spot the difference from Fox) to compel the issue to be taken seriously.

Like or loathe the guy, the false equivalence with Fox couldn't be more obviously ridiculous. You couldn't get two men who were more poles apart.

Coveescapee · 05/10/2023 13:07

That is all your opinion @SerafinasGoose have people on here forgotten the police harassment of KJK and Caroline Farrow just for having the "wrong"opinion. Just because you don't like Fox and think the sun shines out of Chris Packhams arse didn't mean police should police docent for same offences. You could be next!

Coveescapee · 05/10/2023 13:08

*differently not docent

fedupandstuck · 05/10/2023 13:23

@SerafinasGoose thank you for your post, I wanted to write something along those lines but couldn't articulate it as well as you have. The situations are different, the actions taken by the two individuals involved are different. They are not comparable for all the reasons that @SerafinasGoose has explained.

Both cases are also obviously different to the police interactions with KJK and CF.

SerafinasGoose · 05/10/2023 13:39

Coveescapee · 05/10/2023 13:07

That is all your opinion @SerafinasGoose have people on here forgotten the police harassment of KJK and Caroline Farrow just for having the "wrong"opinion. Just because you don't like Fox and think the sun shines out of Chris Packhams arse didn't mean police should police docent for same offences. You could be next!

Of course it's my opinion. Who else's would it be? It is, however, based on clear observations whereas the somewhat odd objection you raise above amounts to nothing more than who you perceive I like or don't like. That's conjecture, has no basis and is rather childish. I don't do 'Big Brother'.

The OP wasn't about the deficiencies of the police but about Fox's behaviour. The police issue is another conversation, although undeniably it's a conversation that's worth having. And the digression into Flack and Farrow is a complete curved-ball out of nowhere, as it has no relevance to this thread.

Incitement to criminal damage is a criminal offence. Assault, as in the case of Flack, is absolutely a criminal offence. The case of Farrow - also Phillimore, who was 'blacklisted' by police having never received a conviction - are indeed worrying and you'll find no objection from me on that score. Were you anticipating that you would?

The post above was not intended as a vindication of police behaviour. There are many reasons why women in particular have little reason to trust the police, and there are also nuances in the Farrow case about particular litigious activists knowing the law and using it as a weapon against someone, aided and abetted by particularly biased constabularies. This does not mean every case is the same but of course Fox, a well-known agitator who's dancing around the edge of conspiracy theory, is putting out the narrative that it's THEY who are out to silence him. Well, he would say that wouldn't he? The rest of the us are quite able to reason that if we bring our profession into disrepute through being a sexist git we get sacked, and if we incite others to criminal damage we've committed a criminal offence, and are liable to be arrested for it.

The point you raised was why Fox was arrested whilst Packham wasn't. This was a completely false equivalence, given the reasons one has (allegedly at this stage) committed a clear criminal offence whilst the other hasn't. Like and dislike don't come into it.

Coveescapee · 05/10/2023 13:53

I didn't say anything about Flack it was KJK. Makes me think you didn't read the rest of my post properly which you've proved. Plenty of people on the BBC have been sexist gits and not sacked (Jonathan Ross, people now who support the erasure of women). And incitement to commit crime like Packham did is a crime. Same as the celebrities during BLM inciting people to commit criminal damage. The double standards appall me and about of people feel the same.

SerafinasGoose · 05/10/2023 14:06

Coveescapee · 05/10/2023 13:53

I didn't say anything about Flack it was KJK. Makes me think you didn't read the rest of my post properly which you've proved. Plenty of people on the BBC have been sexist gits and not sacked (Jonathan Ross, people now who support the erasure of women). And incitement to commit crime like Packham did is a crime. Same as the celebrities during BLM inciting people to commit criminal damage. The double standards appall me and about of people feel the same.

Say what now? The BBC sacked Jonathan Ross. It's ITV who have been hosting him and his misogyny ever since Sachsgate.

Packham hasn't incited anyone to commit crime. The backdrop of that issue has been clearly set out above.

SerafinasGoose · 05/10/2023 14:08

NB. I'd be careful of suggesting that someone has committed a crime when this is not the case. We are all responsible for what we write online. Libel actually does carry with it a form of legal redress, albeit civil, on the originator of the content, not the hosting website.

fedupandstuck · 05/10/2023 14:15

Just for clarity, Jonathan Ross wasn't sacked from the BBC after the Sachs incident. He was suspended and sanctioned (eg his Radio 2 show had to be pre-recorded rather than live), and then he decided not to renew his contract negotiations. The BBC wanted to renew his contracts, although for less money.

SerafinasGoose · 05/10/2023 14:21

fedupandstuck · 05/10/2023 14:15

Just for clarity, Jonathan Ross wasn't sacked from the BBC after the Sachs incident. He was suspended and sanctioned (eg his Radio 2 show had to be pre-recorded rather than live), and then he decided not to renew his contract negotiations. The BBC wanted to renew his contracts, although for less money.

Thanks @fedupandstuck. I only knew he no longer worked for them after that particular debacle.

I also had no idea of the effect that behaviour had on Georgina Baillie. It seems it destroyed her life, as well as her relationship with her grandparents.

As ever, it was the woman who suffered for men's behaviour. The extent of the harm they were capable of inflicting is sobering, at the butt of that harm was (as usual) a woman, and this has belatedly come as a shock to me at least.

All the sympathy belonged with Andrew Sachs; none of it with her. She was completely thrown to the wolves.

justasking111 · 05/10/2023 14:37

Coveescapee · 05/10/2023 13:07

That is all your opinion @SerafinasGoose have people on here forgotten the police harassment of KJK and Caroline Farrow just for having the "wrong"opinion. Just because you don't like Fox and think the sun shines out of Chris Packhams arse didn't mean police should police docent for same offences. You could be next!

This is what frightens me. I've personally no axe in the game living in rural Wales, this being a London centric issue.

My question is does the incumbent mayor of London whoever they are, whatever party have ultimate control, are the boss of the met police?

justasking111 · 05/10/2023 14:52

The population of London is 9.6 million. The population of Cardiff 448k. The population of the whole of Wales one third that of London.

Can you understand that when outsiders look on who live in much smaller perhaps parochial communities elsewhere, we see Fox, Packham, as eccentric perhaps damaged individuals whereas in London they're seen as polarising. Damaging to the community as a whole .

We don't in Wales have anyone internationally buying up our properties, companies, as we read of in London. No-one wants to buy up whole roads of mansions, blocks of flats and leave them empty. We've no companies being swallowed up by consortiums and shut down.
I suspect our health service is big enough to be of interest though.

fedupandstuck · 05/10/2023 14:59

Chris Packam doesn't live in London.

SerafinasGoose · 05/10/2023 15:06

justasking111 · 05/10/2023 14:37

This is what frightens me. I've personally no axe in the game living in rural Wales, this being a London centric issue.

My question is does the incumbent mayor of London whoever they are, whatever party have ultimate control, are the boss of the met police?

The Met are bad. Possibly the worst. But they are not the only police force embroiled in these controversies. Farrow is in the remit of the Sussex constabulary. The notorious 'check your thinking' force was Humberside.

Institutional rot unfortunately sets in everywhere, rural or urban.

justasking111 · 05/10/2023 15:27

SerafinasGoose · 05/10/2023 15:06

The Met are bad. Possibly the worst. But they are not the only police force embroiled in these controversies. Farrow is in the remit of the Sussex constabulary. The notorious 'check your thinking' force was Humberside.

Institutional rot unfortunately sets in everywhere, rural or urban.

I have no knowledge of Sussex or Humberside not having read of them. If this is the case I'm sorry for everyone in these areas. Our police are small beer in the scheme of things of little interest to anyone.

I recall the Rochdale gangs that was shocking. I've friends in Leicester and Yorkshire who say that similar happens plus factory slavery workers but that's hearsay unless it comes to court.

fedupandstuck · 05/10/2023 15:33

Here is a case of South Wales police paying £40,000 compensation to a disabled woman they arrested after an accusation of an online comment made to a man she didn't know.

fedupandstuck · 05/10/2023 15:33

www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-66642041.amp

Coveescapee · 05/10/2023 15:57

Thank you can't believe how many people applauding the treatment of Fox just because they don't like him. I feel sorry for him, he obviously has poor mental health and needs some help. Fed up with all the cancellation going on and only for anti establishment types.

minou123 · 05/10/2023 16:56

Wait...but.....hold on, he has been "cancelled" from a programme that famously prides itself on being 'anti-woke' and against "cancelling" people.

justasking111 · 05/10/2023 17:18

Coveescapee · 05/10/2023 15:57

Thank you can't believe how many people applauding the treatment of Fox just because they don't like him. I feel sorry for him, he obviously has poor mental health and needs some help. Fed up with all the cancellation going on and only for anti establishment types.

We have a friends son like Fox he's been in and out of places for decades. So he gets a pass from me. The media never mention that just feed off it. My friends son a celebrity of a kind has come out and discussed it. They've just finished filming a documentary on his battles. I really think it's best to own it.

Coveescapee · 05/10/2023 17:21

Because its a whipped up storm by bbc etc (their rivals) with a view to taking them off air even though they've done alot worse (eg jimmy savile, rb and Jonathan ross). The useful idiots in the public have been roused to complain to Ofcom 8000 complaints who are tools of the govt. They also want them taken off air for questioning lockdown etc. So GB News are conforming to the mob to try and prevent this.

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