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Mouth Almighty Laurence Fox

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Magicpaintbrush · 27/09/2023 10:33

What an odious, misogynist he truly is.

GB News suspends Laurence Fox over comments about journalist Ava Evans - BBC News

He said, of female journalist Ava Evans: "Show me a single self-respecting man that would like to climb into bed with that woman - ever, ever. That little woman has been fed, spoon-fed oppression day after day after day. And she's sat there and I'm going like, 'If I met you in a bar and that was like sentence three, [the] chances of me just walking away are just huge." He then added: "Who'd want to shag that?"

That Little Woman??? Why is he reducing her value to whether or not he would have sex with her - firstly what the fuck has that got to do with her worthiness as a human being or indeed her job as a journalist. Secondly, why is he arrogantly assuming that she WANT to shag him anyway, I've no doubt she wouldn't touch that loathsome prick with a shitty stick.

He also goes on to say ""We need powerful strong, amazing women who make great points for themselves." Sorry, what?? A woman made a point you didn't agree with and the first thing you did was mock, degrade and dehumanise her. Stop back-peddling, it's too late - we see you, you sexist prick.

GB News presenter Laurence Fox. He is seen looking into the camera.

GB News suspends Laurence Fox over comments about journalist Ava Evans

In a segment on the channel, Fox made disparaging remarks about PoliticsJOE reporter Ava Evans.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66932538

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TheLeadbetterLife · 27/09/2023 20:39

I'm pretty sure there's a well-known connection between babies and sex, so it doesn't seem particularly out there for a thread about Carrie's pregnancy to lead to discussions of Boris's sex appeal. Especially when you consider the circumstances of how Boris and Carrie got together.

Boris's sex life is comment-worthy, because his behaviour is a huge part of who is he and what motivates him.

What Fox did would be more like someone commenting, in a thread about the Autumn budget, that they wouldn't fuck Jeremy Hunt.

bombastix · 27/09/2023 20:46

While I dislike Fox and Wootton heartily I do wonder what the point is of GB News. I mean I would have thought this reductive and misogynistic thinking is their target audience to tee.

Perhaps next time they will just have to hide it better.

foxlover47 · 27/09/2023 20:49

He just gets worse the more I find out about him

Titerama · 27/09/2023 20:50

Gosh @Helleofabore - hope you’re going to trot this scolding out every time someone says “GC women” on the other board too.

That will be fun for you and keep you busy all day every day.

Or wait… is it only when inclusive feminists use it that’s it’s meaningless and lazy?

*Maybe you are not aware that the term 'GC' was actually originally 'gender critical feminist'. It was first used for feminists who rejected gender stereotypes being used to define a person's sex.

Your use of 'GC' here is quite lazy and you perhaps don't realise that extreme trans activists have now made the term completely meaningless. Because those activists now include a huge group of diverse people who are NOT feminists. And many of those people wrongly labelled "GC' are people who support gender stereotypes. So, therefore, the term is meaningless.

Extreme trans activists have used the term to loosely group anyone who believes that sex is immutable. Regardless of that group's motivation. That is where the laziness of your accusation lies.*

Brilliant whataboutery though. Gotta love it.

step 1: GC posters get mentioned for the numerous times the revolting racist misogynist human that is LF has been quoted, lauded and agreed with in GC threads

step 2: you can’t say GC! (outrage, bluster, blah blah blah, even though it’s used god knows how many times daily on threads you’re on in the other board without anyone batting a GC eyelid)

MalagaNights · 27/09/2023 20:57

TheLeadbetterLife · 27/09/2023 20:39

I'm pretty sure there's a well-known connection between babies and sex, so it doesn't seem particularly out there for a thread about Carrie's pregnancy to lead to discussions of Boris's sex appeal. Especially when you consider the circumstances of how Boris and Carrie got together.

Boris's sex life is comment-worthy, because his behaviour is a huge part of who is he and what motivates him.

What Fox did would be more like someone commenting, in a thread about the Autumn budget, that they wouldn't fuck Jeremy Hunt.

Are you confident that doesn't happen? Conversations don't stay on topic!

I actually thought it was particuarly grim to have a lovely event for a women degraded by talk about how vile shagging her husband must, but obviously we seem to differ on that, if you think that when someone has a baby conversations about shagging her husband is normal and logical.

Either way, I'm not suprised people talk like this, I'm not trying to stop them, and I think LF made a huge mistake doing it on the TV.

Helleofabore · 27/09/2023 21:00

Titerama · 27/09/2023 20:50

Gosh @Helleofabore - hope you’re going to trot this scolding out every time someone says “GC women” on the other board too.

That will be fun for you and keep you busy all day every day.

Or wait… is it only when inclusive feminists use it that’s it’s meaningless and lazy?

*Maybe you are not aware that the term 'GC' was actually originally 'gender critical feminist'. It was first used for feminists who rejected gender stereotypes being used to define a person's sex.

Your use of 'GC' here is quite lazy and you perhaps don't realise that extreme trans activists have now made the term completely meaningless. Because those activists now include a huge group of diverse people who are NOT feminists. And many of those people wrongly labelled "GC' are people who support gender stereotypes. So, therefore, the term is meaningless.

Extreme trans activists have used the term to loosely group anyone who believes that sex is immutable. Regardless of that group's motivation. That is where the laziness of your accusation lies.*

Brilliant whataboutery though. Gotta love it.

step 1: GC posters get mentioned for the numerous times the revolting racist misogynist human that is LF has been quoted, lauded and agreed with in GC threads

step 2: you can’t say GC! (outrage, bluster, blah blah blah, even though it’s used god knows how many times daily on threads you’re on in the other board without anyone batting a GC eyelid)

Gosh Titerama

What part of the history of the terminology that a poster used incorrectly to make a negative blanket statement was whataboutery exactly? If a poster is going to make such a negative blanket statement, maybe they should get the terminology correct first.

Have you missed the significance in the post completely in your rush to scold me? Or do you too go around accusing feminists of being 'aligned' with misogynists because they happen to share a similar belief that sex is immutable?

Oh... I know Titerama. Do YOU believe that people can change sex? If not, then you too are now aligned with Fox.

If you DO believe that people can change sex, then can we list who YOU align with using the same fuckwittery that @JingsMahBucket used?

Please do tell....

TheLeadbetterLife · 27/09/2023 21:00

I'm not confident of that at all, and I'm not saying it doesn't happen.

I'm saying what Fox did was the epitome of misogyny and not at all comparable to discussions of Boris Johnson's sex life and attractiveness.

ACertainKindOfLight · 27/09/2023 21:00

I don't even know who he is.

MalagaNights · 27/09/2023 21:03

Hahahahahahahaha @Titerama "step 1: GC posters get mentioned for the numerous times the revolting racist misogynist human that is LF has been quoted, lauded and agreed with in GC threads"

Name a single post in FWR where anyone lauds and agrees with LF!!😂😂

I'm proably as close as you'll get with my "I think it's common place to talk like that, but only a moron would do it on telly."

Gosh, the hyperbole from everyone is making me very tired.

Helleofabore · 27/09/2023 21:25

MalagaNights · 27/09/2023 21:03

Hahahahahahahaha @Titerama "step 1: GC posters get mentioned for the numerous times the revolting racist misogynist human that is LF has been quoted, lauded and agreed with in GC threads"

Name a single post in FWR where anyone lauds and agrees with LF!!😂😂

I'm proably as close as you'll get with my "I think it's common place to talk like that, but only a moron would do it on telly."

Gosh, the hyperbole from everyone is making me very tired.

I don't know malaga. Perhaps Titerama also rejects gender stereotypes in their feminism too. And/OR believes that no human on earth can change sex. So, that also could mean that Titerama is now what was it, "a bedfellow" of Laurence Fox and are aligned with people of the 'right wing spectrum'.

Unless, Titerama and Jing think that definitions of words are meaningless and therefore we can align Titerama and Jing with anybody we wish using meaningless terms. That is even easier to do. I mean, what is good for those two posters must be ok for us to do, surely.

Maybe titerama and Jing are feminists who embrace gender stereotypes and believe that sex in human beings can be magically changed (despite not one shred of evidence to prove that it can change). And good on them then for embracing that!

Helleofabore · 27/09/2023 21:38

Don’t let’s forget wims, that if we agree with a person about one issue, we ‘laud’ a person and we then ‘agree with’ them for everything.

It is really clear. Never agree with any person on anything just in case that person in the future has thoughts that can be used against you.

Yes. It is that fucking ridiculous!

Dymaxion · 27/09/2023 22:21

I don't even know who he is.

That's no bad thing @ACertainKindOfLight ! He is just a common or garden contrarian knicker sniffer.

popebishop · 27/09/2023 23:12

Every time I see LF's name I actively pipe up that he's a massive twat, just in case anyone's thinking of giving him a click.

I guess that's lauding him, to people that agree with Jacob Breslow and don't know what a woman is.

TheAverageJoanne · 27/09/2023 23:30

TheFirstStraw · 27/09/2023 10:55

He knows she is physically attractive: that's why his imagined scenario was meeting up with her in a bar.
I wonder if there's extra rage at a woman who seems to embrace femininity in hair, clothes and makeup, but then who is completely unsubmissive and not willing to pander to men. I think men feel they've been tricked. They've been attracted and made to think a woman is all soft, and when they discover she isn't, bam. Misogynistic rage.

"Why did you dress up like that if not to have sex?" This has been said in all seriousness to me by a man I was engaged to.

TheAverageJoanne · 27/09/2023 23:33

foxlover47 · 27/09/2023 20:49

He just gets worse the more I find out about him

Ironic username 🦊! @foxlover47

foxlover47 · 28/09/2023 00:32

@TheAverageJoanne whahahaha I never thought of that until reading your reply 😅😅absolutely not that fox for sure

OnTheRunWithMannyMontana · 28/09/2023 00:37

He's always been an odious little prick.

Helleofabore · 28/09/2023 06:42

”step 1: GC posters get mentioned for the numerous times the revolting racist misogynist human that is LF has been quoted, lauded and agreed with in GC threads”

”step 2: you can’t say GC! (outrage, bluster, blah blah blah, even though it’s used god knows how many times daily on threads you’re on in the other board without anyone batting a GC eyelid)”

in reference to step 1 - Please point to posts “lauding” Fox and posts that agree with his actions in rating a woman’s sexual attractiveness? Or is it possible that you have also ridiculously done the same thing that Jing did in dishonestly misrepresenting posts on FWR?

Please produce the evidence to support your claim and then let us evaluate whether those posters are feminists or simply hold the belief that someone cannot change sex.

In reference to Step 2, your hyperbolic statement shows that you are very happy to conflate groups with different motivations to use the term to vilify feminists. Which is what jing did and why I posted to explain the terminology use and history. So, well done in giving yet another example of how some people do this to vilify feminists who don’t agree with you.

And yes, some posters DO use the term ‘gender critical’ for themselves and usually they are people who are critical of gender stereotyping defining what a woman or a man, or a girl or a boy, is. So they are using the first part of the term correctly at least. Some posters claim it for themselves yet uphold gender stereotypes even on FWR. Thereby make the term meaningless.

And gosh … ‘a GC eyelid’. Dehumanising language such as this does make it easier to vilify a group who disagrees with you, doesn’t it?

Your post pretty much encapsulates the extreme trans activist tactics I touched on. And by extreme trans activists, I mean those who simply demand that their demands are prioritised over the needs of women and children. We know many trans people are not demanding this. In fact, we know of and are constantly told of many trans people who respect those needs and seek solutions that work for all.

However, there still are also many extreme trans activists too.

The tactic is to Falsely force team feminists with people who don’t have feminist motivations and may even oppose the majority of feminist aims by dishonestly expanding a term used to describe feminists. This then makes the term ‘gender critical feminist’ meaningless and a source of abuse via that false force teaming or false alignment on issues.

To be clear, feminists are campaigning to prioritise the sex based rights that address the needs of women and girls when it is necessary. Such as for safety and to address the still prevalent negative sexist discrimination experienced by women and girls as two examples of when it is necessary. Feminists also are campaigning to protect children and those children’s needs. Do you titerama and jing disagree with those principles?

To repeat from my other posts, the motivations of other groups forced under the umbrella term of ‘gender critical feminism’ by extreme trans activists, may look the same on a macro level but are usually different. And sometimes significantly different.

To make the ‘alignment’ more believable to those lacking in the ability to critically think though the motivations of each group, extreme trans activists remove the term feminist. They then falsely apply the umbrella term to give the impression of alignment. It is a dishonest tactic.

Then feminists can be vilified and demonised along with extremist groups who want extreme measures. That is the aim of those doing it and those using the term as it has been used by jing and titerama and others.

The dehumanisation aspect then adds to the ease of that vilification. And it is dehumanising to say ‘a GC eyelid’.

Fuck that. Not one poster could post a similarly dehumanising phrase such as ‘a trans eyelid’ and have it survive being reported. Because the guidelines rightfully don’t allow trans people to be dehumanised in that way. Plus regular posters don’t have the habit of dehumanising trans people.

We don’t use terms like ‘the transes’, for good reason. It is deplorable. We would be rightfully deleted if we posted ‘a trans eyelid’ in the way titerama has used it.

And to further clarify, there is no assumption that jing and titerama are extreme trans activists. They may not be. Some of the other people who use such terminology as them, simply have no capability to critically analyse and understand what feminists are campaigning for.

lightisnotwhite · 28/09/2023 06:51

I think picking apart the minutiae of comments is less important than context.
He knows she is physically attractive: that's why his imagined scenario was meeting up with her in a bar.
Or was it directly linked to her comments in a different interview about liking boys to be scared about being falsely accused of sexual assault? A comment which was also mis represented I think.
Both of them are happy to say things that aren’t controlled or conformist. They are in the media for their opinions and two sides of the same coin.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 28/09/2023 08:44

Imagine having that odious prick as your brother in law. Poor Richard Ayoarde

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/09/2023 09:37

He's burning all his bridges now. Still, stepping back from TV will give him more time to develop his music and work on his political career.
🤣🤣🤣

JingsMahBucket · 28/09/2023 16:03

@Titerama they sure love moving those goalposts, don’t they? 😂

Helleofabore · 28/09/2023 16:17

JingsMahBucket · 28/09/2023 16:03

@Titerama they sure love moving those goalposts, don’t they? 😂

What goalposts have been moved?

popebishop · 28/09/2023 16:27

If even 10% of the time and energy used to argue about what label we should put on any stated claim or opinion was used to critically engage with that claim or opinion instead, we'd have a lot more clarity of thought in discussions.

Anyone who disagrees is clearly an emellant.

Helleofabore · 28/09/2023 16:34

pope, I think I agree with you... but what is a 'emellant'?