Do you feel the same about the best selling book "I hate men" by Pauline Harmange?

From the link:

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Every man alive today faces a paradox.

Your hardwired, biological programming is screaming at you to get girls, get laid, and inevitably start a family.

However, today’s women could not be less interested in today’s men.


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I’m sorry, but lol!
Women aren’t interested in men?
I’ve never met a straight or bi woman who wasn’t pretty much obsessed of men.
And the standards just keeps on dropping.
I will never understand where these type of men get their ideas from.

In what way do you feel the content and message of the two books are similar?

@RoseslnTheHospital

It's pretty obvious if one isn't being obtuse

Honestly I read the blurb and I don't think there's much to worry about. It seems full of ascertains that I don't see at all in real life. Women not interested in men anymore, wouldn't go out with a plumber. I'm just not seeing this at all.

@oceanandclouds I'm not being "obtuse". I'm asking your opinion, given the briefness of your question, I was wondering what your position was? Presumably having read both, or being aware of the content of both.

Isin’t the I hate men book about men, mainly online hating on women?
I thought it collected info/data on misogyny?

And there it is, the double standard. You literally admitted that advocating hatred of men is more acceptable to you than advocating hatred of women because you think women who hate men are not a threat. That couldn't be further from the truth, because women are perfectly capable of abusing, manipulating, and exploiting men -- and they do. Women like you who promote this double standard are why books such as "Why Women Deserve Less" reach an increasingly broad audience of men who are sick of the hypocrisy.

It's allowed because freedom of speech is a thing, and companies are happy to promote products that they know will be profitable. If you don't like it, then don't read it. There are plenty of feminist books that openly promote contempt and hatred of men ("I Hate Men" by Pauline Harmange, "Why Men Love Bitches" by Sherry Argov), and they're allowed on e-commerce platforms too.

If you bothered to even read the synopsis, then you'd know "Why Women Deserve Less" isn't about hating women. It encourages men to self-improve, be aware of gender-based double standards in society, and date carefully.

"I Hate Men" encourages women to treat men in general with hatred and disdain. In the author's own words, she describes misandry as "perfectly justified, but also necessary." So no, it's not just about collecting data on misogyny; that is hardly even its main focus.

Well it does say today's men. Which I think is true, look how many threads there are with fed up women with useless partners and how much people now just say LTB. We need to have higher standards that's for sure! ! And we need to realise this early!

Whilst many of the responses to OP on this thread feel very troll-y...

I haven't read either book. Both titles sound "provocative". From the reviews you can see that comments for this book are geared towards support for "the Tates" which is enough for me to believe it promotes a dangerous narrative that encourages a certain type of man to seek dominance over women by cruelty, humiliation and fear. This is not a template for how anyone should be treating anyone else, male or female.

It's self-published.

Jeff Bezos's ideas of what constitutes "Feminist Theory" are pretty enlightening, though: https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/11332/ref=zg_b_bs_11332_1?tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-21

I'd suggest emailing them to let them know it's miscategorised and needs to be moved out of "Feminist Theory" (and indeed out of "Women's Studies") and into the, uh, "Self-Help" category. 🤓

Do you feel the same about the best selling book "I hate men" by Pauline Harmange? Start your own thread, bro, instead of me-railing someone else's.

@THEbeautifuLIE

Women do not create, build, design or control any of the essential infrastructural systems of the planet.

A quick Google of "women who create infrastructure" might be revolutionary for you my friend

I look forward to the list of banned book topics. Can't beat a bit of book burning.

As far as the human race goes, we both need each other equally for procreation. Outside of that, there isn’t a single component of life & survival that men NEED women for. Not a single one.

That’s funny.

Every man I’ve met that dares to voice such moronic opinions appears to rely on his mummy very much.

All this kickback is because some men can’t cope with the fact that women in modern times don’t need men as much either.

If every woman left the workplace tomorrow, society would completely collapse.

I read the synopsis and all I have to say is:

Women have emancipated themselves from the patriarchy over the past 60 years, we no longer have to be barefoot and pregnant tied to the kitchen sink.

We were allowed to open our own bank accounts in 1975.

We were allowed to get a mortgage on our own without a male guarantor in the late 70's

A married woman didn't get her own tax code until 1990

And marital rape was still legal until 1991.

And an woman's ability to divorce her husband for equal reasons came in 1969. Previously it was only for adultery and cruelty, but obviously the woman was shamed if she did.

I say the above because its only very recently that women have had choices regarding relationships, birth control, being able to leave abusive relationships (I know there's a hell of a lot more nuance here) being able to leave unhappy relationships. Women want equal relationships, fair relationships, relationships where they don't become de facto mothers of their husbands (I'm talking about hetro partnerships) women do want and expect more. If you think relationships are transactional then it isn't a relationship.

I'd bet my bank account that the type of man who reads and likes this book is not the type of man your average woman wants a long-term relationship with. They'll be stuck chasing women who don't want anything to do with them, becoming more disenfranchised, angry, and bitter about women until they're old, grey and alone.

I'm not going to comment on this book personally as I don't know what it's about. I find feminisam controversial though. I'm a woman not a man firstly. And a strong I'll do it myself woman at that lol. I just think there's alot about feminism that's not quite true to life. I think the dynamics of women & men should be kept to tradition for instance.
Pay gap I actually kind of believe in a little, you have to give women incentive to want to stay at home with children. I think it's important to spend atleast the first 5 years being a dedicated mum. If women earn the same of men not only do you give them the same amount of pay but the same amount of responsibility to work. And for alot of women it can be a choice to stay at home & raise children because the man is bringing home the bacon in the first place. I don't know I think it's a tricky subject to navigate. We seem to veer away from tradition more & more but the world is getting stranger & stranger.

I’d agree with that.

You realise not every woman is a mother, right? And that many women are solely financially responsible for children after the man abdicated his responsibilities and left. Or even died, if we want to follow a no-blame example. How can you justify paying women less in any of these situations? genuinely?

But the kind of men that hold views like this hardly ever earn enough to ‘provide’ a decent life for anyone, let alone kids too. They expect their (imaginary) wife to work AND submit/defer to them in everything.

And what happens if we all go back to ‘traditional’ roles?

You can kiss goodbye to any female dominated work service. No education, no healthcare.

What about the consultant surgeon who saved my life, should she have been at home baking instead?

Marie Curie? Do these men even have any idea of the service female scientists have done for us? Life wouldn’t be the same without them.

I prefer real men. You know, the kind that understand women are human beings, just like them.

Wow. It’s been a while since I’ve read such shit 😆