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Why women deserve less - how are these books allowed?

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123ROLO · 18/02/2023 16:44

I got an add on YouTube for this book

www.amazon.com/Women-Deserve-Less-Myron-Gaines/dp/B0BVDSBZYK

Listed as a no1 best seller. I think its found its way into not being hatespeech by a loophole of having a disclaimer saying "we are not telling you to hate women". But then goes on to list reasons to hate women.

What sad sad fragile men. I take some comfort that these mens lives must be so deeply unfulfilled if they feel the need to fill their minds with such hatred.

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sabriellirael · 19/02/2023 14:10

Let's address some of your claims. You stated that men abuse women more when national intimate partner violence surveys indicate that half of all reported abuse cases are situations of "mutual abuse" in which the man AND woman are initiating violence. I agree with you that men being physically abusive is more dangerous given their relative strength, though of course abuse is wrong no matter who is doing it.

Myron Gaines has never stated that he believes men should be able to demand sex from women whenever he wants or use physical coercion to obtain sex. He did advise men to break up with women who use sex as leverage to attempt to control them and the relationship, which seems like perfectly reasonable advice.

Andrew Tate's case is also fraught with controversy, just as he is. He is detained for months without formal charges, two of the alleged victims denied being victims but their testimonies were rejected in court, and there are receipts of WhatsApp messages showing two of the female accusers plotting to frame the Tate brothers and, in their own words, "play the victim." I find Andrew Tate's messages and personality repulsive, but just because we dislike a person doesn't mean we should be okay with violations of their civil rights.

You claim that this book will lead to more women being hurt and abused, but the author of this book has never advocated for abusing women, especially not physically or sexually. He has also never been accused of or charged with abuse/sexual misconduct. The most he has advocated is for men to exert healthy boundaries in a relationship and to leave women who disrespect them and their boundaries.

Bippetyboppityboob · 19/02/2023 14:23

But OP aren't you keen to have an answer to this question?
Why, in general, does it feel like pulling teeth to get girls to do anything?

I'm intrigued to know how women unfairly benefit from nearly all men. From reading the blurb seems essentially he's annoyed that many women now earn their own money and have higher standards than being trapped with a man so they can afford to live:

It highlights the ways in which women are benefiting unfairly at nearly every man’s expense.

So really why don't they just write about how to empower themselves as men rather than a book about how to get sex in this 'new world' when women don't need men to survive so its more dependent on personality, actions and whatever else.

I don't think it should be banned but yes there are hateful publications out there which will lead some to a destructive and revenge filled path which will inflame risks already present to women.

Thelnebriati · 19/02/2023 14:24

The most he has advocated is for men to exert healthy boundaries in a relationship and to leave women who disrespect them and their boundaries.

From the blurb;
''Women won’t give you sex, but will vote to take raise your taxes to pay for their deadbeat baby daddies’ kids....
“Why Women Deserve Less” merely makes the argument for this to stop.''

donquixotedelamancha · 19/02/2023 14:29

how are these books allowed?

Because we don't ban books. I agree that the fact such dumb, lazy rubbish is successful is depressing but banning books is not the answer.

Societies that ban books never end up better for women.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 19/02/2023 14:36

I've read the opening of this book now, which is available as a preview - I'm not going to give this man revenue by buying the book to read it all.

It's utterly flawed from the outset.

He begins by describing how 'beautiful women' get 1000s of offers of sex every week, even if they live in small towns, and this plethora of choice (to summarise) gives them licence to treat men appallingly.

OK, let's just say that's true. It does not account for the majority of women - those who are not 'beautiful' - those who are average or unattractive. They don't get a mention, probably because they simply don't exist for him. They are just as likely to be messed around and treated badly by more attractive men, but most women in that position don't devise elaborate strategies to punish these men - they rightly conclude that such men are shallow, and look to find someone on a basis other than their 'beauty' - someone with a decent character, even if he isn't 'beautiful'. The author appears to be average-looking - he could easily find average-looking women to date him - but they don't seem to exist for him, or for the purposes of his book.

He then describes an incident of school-bullying following a boy being turned down by a girl - awful, but in no way a male-specific thing; and someone being stood up on a date - again, this can happen to both sexes.

Finally he talks about an elderly twice-divorced man stuck in a sexless marriage, because his wife 'refuses to die or divorce him' and he can't leave her because he's financially dependent on her, as his money was lost in his divorces.

Where to start with that? Refuses to die - does he mean she should be expected to kill herself? No idea what the divorce laws are where he lives - in this country, he could certainly divorce her on the basis of no sex, and get a share of her assets. Let's say he can't divorce where he is - it's hardly his wife's fault that his previous wives left him with no money. What would be be doing if he hadn't married her and she wasn't supporting him? Nothing to stop him walking out and being in the same position he had been if he'd never met her.

Load of absolute rubbish.

Thelnebriati · 19/02/2023 14:52

It sounds like incel culture, and he placed it in the feminist theory category just to be a goady twat.

DulciUke · 19/02/2023 14:54

Myron Gaines is one half of the Fresh and Fit YouTube channel. It is very misogynistic and "red pill".

emptythelitterbox · 19/02/2023 14:56

86 pages, hardly a "book".

The one thing that Myron and every other male who spouts this nonsense forgets is that it hinges on women caring enough to have a relationship with a man.

Marriage and living together are declining.

Many young women no longer want marriage or children.

It seems to bother men a lot more than women.

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 19/02/2023 15:16

emptythelitterbox · 19/02/2023 14:56

86 pages, hardly a "book".

The one thing that Myron and every other male who spouts this nonsense forgets is that it hinges on women caring enough to have a relationship with a man.

Marriage and living together are declining.

Many young women no longer want marriage or children.

It seems to bother men a lot more than women.

I didn't look at how long it was - the few pages in the preview told me all I needed to know about it.

sabriellirael · 19/02/2023 15:21

Your problem is that you literally view all men as "oppressors" and "abusers," and therefore think it's acceptable to advocate hatred against an entire gender. If you bothered to read beyond the titles of these books, you'd also know that "I Hate Men" directly promotes hating men as acceptable and "beneficial," while "Why Women Deserve Less" does little more than advocate for men to enforce healthy boundaries, not put women on a pedestal, and avoid pursuing relationships with women who are entitled and disrespectful.

Also, historical injustice does not justify perpetuating your own twisted form of hatred and discrimination. It isn't morally or socially acceptable to hate all men, regardless of what delusional toxic feminists you listen to say on social media. Most men are law-abiding citizens who want to live honest lives, contribute to society, and provide for their families. If this basic concept of decency is foreign to you, then you desperately need to reevaluate your moral compass.

Arguelikeagrownup · 19/02/2023 15:22

sabriellirael · 19/02/2023 15:21

Your problem is that you literally view all men as "oppressors" and "abusers," and therefore think it's acceptable to advocate hatred against an entire gender. If you bothered to read beyond the titles of these books, you'd also know that "I Hate Men" directly promotes hating men as acceptable and "beneficial," while "Why Women Deserve Less" does little more than advocate for men to enforce healthy boundaries, not put women on a pedestal, and avoid pursuing relationships with women who are entitled and disrespectful.

Also, historical injustice does not justify perpetuating your own twisted form of hatred and discrimination. It isn't morally or socially acceptable to hate all men, regardless of what delusional toxic feminists you listen to say on social media. Most men are law-abiding citizens who want to live honest lives, contribute to society, and provide for their families. If this basic concept of decency is foreign to you, then you desperately need to reevaluate your moral compass.

Oh god, shut up

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 19/02/2023 15:23

while "Why Women Deserve Less" does little more than advocate for men to enforce healthy boundaries, not put women on a pedestal, and avoid pursuing relationships with women who are entitled and disrespectful.

Really? When he suggests an elderly woman should 'die' because she doesn't want sex with her husband?

sabriellirael · 19/02/2023 15:32

Of course, society wouldn't function if women don't work. It also wouldn't function if men don't work (that includes your educational settings and hospitals). That's the point, women and men need each other in the modern world, even beyond the context of a heterosexual romantic relationship.

When men account for the vast majority of architects, engineers, construction workers, farmers, waste management workers, law enforcement officers, and soldiers, then no it isn't "fantasy land" to say that men contribute the lion's share to building and maintaining modern infrastructure, as well as protecting your country and defending your rights.

I don't regard a society where "men reign supreme" as a utopia, and never claimed I do. You should try out for the Olympics with your remarkable ability to jump to conclusions.

Bippetyboppityboob · 19/02/2023 15:33

Some men have their feels hurt because women they only get attention from women they don't deem worthy of them- ie not attractive enough, and because now women don't have to settle with a man to get the things they want in life- they can earn their own money, pay their own rent and many no longer feel beholden to social norms around having children the result is many women are rightly more selective about their partners beyond their wallets. Things like personality, respect, how they can enhance their life beyond £££; its right men have similar boundaries but in reality these have usually been based just on looks anyway maybe they should open their minds as we have eh.

sabriellirael · 19/02/2023 15:39

"Oh god, shut up."

You seem to have trouble living up to your username, "arguelikeagrownup." Better luck next time.

xJoy · 19/02/2023 15:40

The bit about becoming a woman's slave is funny. Nearly every second thread is an exhausted woman who works, does all the housework and all the childcare and stocks the cupboards and fridge too. And he has a hobby.............

123ROLO · 19/02/2023 16:49

sabriellirael · 19/02/2023 14:10

Let's address some of your claims. You stated that men abuse women more when national intimate partner violence surveys indicate that half of all reported abuse cases are situations of "mutual abuse" in which the man AND woman are initiating violence. I agree with you that men being physically abusive is more dangerous given their relative strength, though of course abuse is wrong no matter who is doing it.

Myron Gaines has never stated that he believes men should be able to demand sex from women whenever he wants or use physical coercion to obtain sex. He did advise men to break up with women who use sex as leverage to attempt to control them and the relationship, which seems like perfectly reasonable advice.

Andrew Tate's case is also fraught with controversy, just as he is. He is detained for months without formal charges, two of the alleged victims denied being victims but their testimonies were rejected in court, and there are receipts of WhatsApp messages showing two of the female accusers plotting to frame the Tate brothers and, in their own words, "play the victim." I find Andrew Tate's messages and personality repulsive, but just because we dislike a person doesn't mean we should be okay with violations of their civil rights.

You claim that this book will lead to more women being hurt and abused, but the author of this book has never advocated for abusing women, especially not physically or sexually. He has also never been accused of or charged with abuse/sexual misconduct. The most he has advocated is for men to exert healthy boundaries in a relationship and to leave women who disrespect them and their boundaries.

I do not know the stats but if 50% is classed as "mutual abuse" what accounts for the other 50%? A quick google search suggests that men are more likely to be perpetrators and women victims, I am not going to post numbers as they vary quite a lot and I do not know what is the most up to date stats, but the general trend is men being the abusers and causing the most amount of harm, even if it is 'mutual'. It is not even just referring to domestic abuse though, women are more likely to be attacked, raped, harassed, or even murdered by random men. How many stories do you hear of women doing the same?

Ok, I just went onto the clips to get the quote from Myron "I'm just going to stay firm on it I don't care what anyone else says, if a women does not give you 'bedroom' fun she is useless to you....men don't ask a lot from women, we want some booty and a sandwich here and there, women, want taller, makes more money than me, successful, confidence, looks after me...since we don't ask for much, if she does not give you sex, she is not giving you 1/3 of what you ask for....prepare to kick her to the curb" ...."when she starts using p*ssy to get you take the bins out, she don't respect you.....cos here is the thing, he is probably still paying all the bills, He's probably still protecting her he's still doing his job, she is not doing hers".

In a podcast titled "they still don't understand why men are superior" from Myron. He uses an example of some men and women being trapped on an island, he tries to explain that men are better because "if you are on a dessert island, you don't understand that men will fck you up and take your resources, as 31-year-old women, you do realise a 13-year-old boy could fck you up...women forget the carnage men are capable of, men can kill women or turn them into slaves, the only reason women can exist is because we have men to protect women from other men conquering them", this is his reason for believing men are better than women, Jesus Christ. I have these quotes after listening to the first 3 minutes of two podcasts, I cannot sit through anymore. I don't imagine they get any better - I would argue he thinks less of men than the 'toxic feminists' he hates, he is setting a low standard for men which I think is what his fans like as it validates that they don't have to try hard at being a good person because they have a d*ck so women should just cower and respect them unconditionally beacuse of their physical dominance.

Tate is likely to be found guilty, I know it's convenient for his fans to latch onto the fact that 'no charges have been made' but evidence is stacked up against him. What is currently available is.

-Transcripts from women who were bought to Romania under the impression Tate would marry them, the women are told if they prove they are 'obedient' they are 'ride or die' and stay by his side they will be his wife. He gets them to the house, does not marry them, but rather convinces them to do porn, saying "if you love me you would do it". There is another transcript of a woman asking why if she is his girlfriend has he placed her in a house of girls that work for him and how it makes her uncomfortable.
-There are transcripts where a woman asks to leave and she only able to do so with an escort.
-There are reports of fines being given to women if they do not come back when they said or are not available to produce 12 hours of content per day. There is also a threat of Andrew Tate pushing a girl of a balcony if she skips a day of making videos.
-There are transcripts where Andrew is discussing that some of his girls do not make videos and that their actual role is to move money around (money laundering)
-There are accounts of women having to be branded with the Tates names to prove their obedience.
-The rooms in the house all have security cameras and staff listening in which restricts their freedom to talk and move as they please.
-The recent transcripts that the women describe being 'trapped' in the house, the women call the Tates 'evil' and that to escape they must pretend they are in love so the Tates will not get suspicious, the parents are scared and trying to contact the embassy, they talk about abuse and how there is more going on that she can not discuss.
-There are Andrew Tates 'confession videos' where he describes how he uses the 'loverboy' method, he says the women he uses for his business must believe he loves them so he can control them, he persuades them to move to Romania to be his girlfriend then he describes his tactic of using his 'bottom bitch' to do the hard sell, and to gently ease her into doing porn. He then uses fraud and says he makes a women feel like she 'needs him' by telling them how he is taking a cut because of "tax" he has to pay from her profits, and gives her fake tax documents to show her how complicated tax is so she won't to do it on her own, when he is not actually paying any tax (as he uses illegal tax avoidence and money laundering) he then takes an extra 20% from her and tells her it is tax money when he just keeps it for profit.

The reason the prosecutor cannot release them is that there is substantial evidence that there are still vulnerable people under their control outside, and they are a flight risk, the exact wording of why they continue to be detained is due to 'capacity and effort to exercise psychological control over the victims...including by resorting to constant acts of violence".

The transcript you are referring to was edited and leaked by Tates team, the actual transcrip got release the next day from the prosecutor's side to prevent false information spreading. I have just mentioned it above, but the acting is referring to acting as if everything is normal so they can escape without being caught by the Tates, not 'acting' to frame them. They sound scared and threatened by them, it is very incriminating.

Some defending Tate have tried to claim women have been paid up to a 100k to frame him. I wrote one negative comment on a Tate video on Instagram and woke up to masses of abusive messages. The women know how scary and powerful Tate is, they will currently be living in fear, and will live in fear for the rest of their lives, no way would that be worth 100k to lie about that.

And if this was the case, there would be evidence to suggest it, leaked conversations, and witnesses etc. The best Tate has been able to release for his defence is a doctored transcript taken out of context and a lawyer who is claiming "It is an act" - which is rubbish as he is not being convicted for being a controversial 'character' he is being convicted for his actions as a rapist and sex trafficker.

If you want to know where to find the above information, please PM me, I'm happy to share.

And circling back to Myron, no to my knowledge he has not promoted hitting a woman, but he does sure love to brag about his physical dominance over women and his superiority over them, and how men deserve access to their bodies as they please. - Which to impressionable young men that follow him. Have a think about where those types of beliefs can lead?

Please stop trying to stick up for these types of men, it is tragic. Men are capable of so much more stop lowering yourself.

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PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 19/02/2023 17:23

"when she starts using pssy to get you take the bins out, she don't respect you..

This is so bad it's almost funny. Ridiculous images of some woman lounging in a negligee cajoling her maaaan to take the bins out ... reality: 'It's your turn to put the bin out, luv, 'cos I did the recycling last Tuesday, so if you can do that I'll crack on with the washing up ..'.

123ROLO · 19/02/2023 17:42

PlaitBilledDuckyPuss · 19/02/2023 17:23

"when she starts using pssy to get you take the bins out, she don't respect you..

This is so bad it's almost funny. Ridiculous images of some woman lounging in a negligee cajoling her maaaan to take the bins out ... reality: 'It's your turn to put the bin out, luv, 'cos I did the recycling last Tuesday, so if you can do that I'll crack on with the washing up ..'.

😂very true, it's ridiculous. What a warped mind he has.

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OhamIreally · 19/02/2023 18:23

I also quite like the image of a "dessert island"...

123ROLO · 19/02/2023 18:34

OhamIreally · 19/02/2023 18:23

I also quite like the image of a "dessert island"...

Well yes me too, but I was clearly meant to write desert as I don't think any man could come between me and my resources on a dessert island.

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Mammillaria · 19/02/2023 18:52

Meh. Anyone can self publish anything. Most offerings (I'm sorry to say) are little more than semi-literate screams into the void.

I am actually quite worried about men. In real life, women get on just fine without men. Apparently single women are the happiest subsection of society. Men keep screaming how much women need them, but literally all the single women I know are living happy and fulfilling lives.

I think it's great that men are making attempts to support each other, but it doesn't sound much like this book will contain anything useful to help those men find happiness.

sabriellirael · 19/02/2023 21:26

123ROLO · 19/02/2023 16:49

I do not know the stats but if 50% is classed as "mutual abuse" what accounts for the other 50%? A quick google search suggests that men are more likely to be perpetrators and women victims, I am not going to post numbers as they vary quite a lot and I do not know what is the most up to date stats, but the general trend is men being the abusers and causing the most amount of harm, even if it is 'mutual'. It is not even just referring to domestic abuse though, women are more likely to be attacked, raped, harassed, or even murdered by random men. How many stories do you hear of women doing the same?

Ok, I just went onto the clips to get the quote from Myron "I'm just going to stay firm on it I don't care what anyone else says, if a women does not give you 'bedroom' fun she is useless to you....men don't ask a lot from women, we want some booty and a sandwich here and there, women, want taller, makes more money than me, successful, confidence, looks after me...since we don't ask for much, if she does not give you sex, she is not giving you 1/3 of what you ask for....prepare to kick her to the curb" ...."when she starts using p*ssy to get you take the bins out, she don't respect you.....cos here is the thing, he is probably still paying all the bills, He's probably still protecting her he's still doing his job, she is not doing hers".

In a podcast titled "they still don't understand why men are superior" from Myron. He uses an example of some men and women being trapped on an island, he tries to explain that men are better because "if you are on a dessert island, you don't understand that men will fck you up and take your resources, as 31-year-old women, you do realise a 13-year-old boy could fck you up...women forget the carnage men are capable of, men can kill women or turn them into slaves, the only reason women can exist is because we have men to protect women from other men conquering them", this is his reason for believing men are better than women, Jesus Christ. I have these quotes after listening to the first 3 minutes of two podcasts, I cannot sit through anymore. I don't imagine they get any better - I would argue he thinks less of men than the 'toxic feminists' he hates, he is setting a low standard for men which I think is what his fans like as it validates that they don't have to try hard at being a good person because they have a d*ck so women should just cower and respect them unconditionally beacuse of their physical dominance.

Tate is likely to be found guilty, I know it's convenient for his fans to latch onto the fact that 'no charges have been made' but evidence is stacked up against him. What is currently available is.

-Transcripts from women who were bought to Romania under the impression Tate would marry them, the women are told if they prove they are 'obedient' they are 'ride or die' and stay by his side they will be his wife. He gets them to the house, does not marry them, but rather convinces them to do porn, saying "if you love me you would do it". There is another transcript of a woman asking why if she is his girlfriend has he placed her in a house of girls that work for him and how it makes her uncomfortable.
-There are transcripts where a woman asks to leave and she only able to do so with an escort.
-There are reports of fines being given to women if they do not come back when they said or are not available to produce 12 hours of content per day. There is also a threat of Andrew Tate pushing a girl of a balcony if she skips a day of making videos.
-There are transcripts where Andrew is discussing that some of his girls do not make videos and that their actual role is to move money around (money laundering)
-There are accounts of women having to be branded with the Tates names to prove their obedience.
-The rooms in the house all have security cameras and staff listening in which restricts their freedom to talk and move as they please.
-The recent transcripts that the women describe being 'trapped' in the house, the women call the Tates 'evil' and that to escape they must pretend they are in love so the Tates will not get suspicious, the parents are scared and trying to contact the embassy, they talk about abuse and how there is more going on that she can not discuss.
-There are Andrew Tates 'confession videos' where he describes how he uses the 'loverboy' method, he says the women he uses for his business must believe he loves them so he can control them, he persuades them to move to Romania to be his girlfriend then he describes his tactic of using his 'bottom bitch' to do the hard sell, and to gently ease her into doing porn. He then uses fraud and says he makes a women feel like she 'needs him' by telling them how he is taking a cut because of "tax" he has to pay from her profits, and gives her fake tax documents to show her how complicated tax is so she won't to do it on her own, when he is not actually paying any tax (as he uses illegal tax avoidence and money laundering) he then takes an extra 20% from her and tells her it is tax money when he just keeps it for profit.

The reason the prosecutor cannot release them is that there is substantial evidence that there are still vulnerable people under their control outside, and they are a flight risk, the exact wording of why they continue to be detained is due to 'capacity and effort to exercise psychological control over the victims...including by resorting to constant acts of violence".

The transcript you are referring to was edited and leaked by Tates team, the actual transcrip got release the next day from the prosecutor's side to prevent false information spreading. I have just mentioned it above, but the acting is referring to acting as if everything is normal so they can escape without being caught by the Tates, not 'acting' to frame them. They sound scared and threatened by them, it is very incriminating.

Some defending Tate have tried to claim women have been paid up to a 100k to frame him. I wrote one negative comment on a Tate video on Instagram and woke up to masses of abusive messages. The women know how scary and powerful Tate is, they will currently be living in fear, and will live in fear for the rest of their lives, no way would that be worth 100k to lie about that.

And if this was the case, there would be evidence to suggest it, leaked conversations, and witnesses etc. The best Tate has been able to release for his defence is a doctored transcript taken out of context and a lawyer who is claiming "It is an act" - which is rubbish as he is not being convicted for being a controversial 'character' he is being convicted for his actions as a rapist and sex trafficker.

If you want to know where to find the above information, please PM me, I'm happy to share.

And circling back to Myron, no to my knowledge he has not promoted hitting a woman, but he does sure love to brag about his physical dominance over women and his superiority over them, and how men deserve access to their bodies as they please. - Which to impressionable young men that follow him. Have a think about where those types of beliefs can lead?

Please stop trying to stick up for these types of men, it is tragic. Men are capable of so much more stop lowering yourself.

The other 50% is broken down as 35.6% female-only violence, and 14.8% male-only violence. I understand this is shocking and difficult to accept, especially when media coverage focuses largely on deadly cases of male-initiated domestic violence (which I agree is often deadlier), but the truth about domestic violence is more nuanced than what is often presented to the public by media outlets and activist organizations.

I won't bother defending Andrew Tate. If the evidence is overwhelmingly incriminating and he is convicted, then I hope he rots in prison. That said, I think there is understandable skepticism about the fairness of the Romanian justice system, even among legal scholars.

Myron saying that men should end relationships with women who aren't sexually compatible doesn't seem outrageous, though he obviously expressed this in more abrasive terms. I'll be honest, I don't put much stock in what Myron says about men being superior or much of his dating advice. His dating advice seems predominantly geared towards a sugar daddy/sugar baby relationship, which is in line with his circumstances as a wealthy influencer living in Miami. Plenty of other regular men, including myself, would be perfectly content with an equal, mutually respectful partnership with a woman who shares my values (and we would share domestic duties as well, of course). I find his content on personal fitness, real estate investing, and self-improvement for men more reasonable and helpful. However, I'll add that attempting to ban "Why Women Deserve Less" would likely do nothing but make the book explode in popularity and public attention, which is exactly what happened when a French government advisor tried to ban "I Hate Men."

What seems to be missing from this conversation is WHY so many young men and boys are attracted to the likes of Andrew Tate and Myron Gaines. Academia and social media have become saturated with messaging calling young men "oppressors," "problematic," and "toxic." It has unfortunately even polluted K-12 education. Voicing any disagreement with the social media mob will get you labeled as a "misogynist," while content about hating men and #KillAllMen is seen as humorous and benign. Some of the angry commenters here exemplify this. I've seen it firsthand and largely checked out from many social media platforms years ago to preserve my mental health. When a generation of boys and men are made by one side to feel like there's something inherently defective and dangerous about them, then they will gravitate toward people who rhetorically defend and support them, even if they preach an equally chauvinistic mindset. It's the greatest irony that the same feminists and liberals who endorsed content disrespecting and dehumanizing men are now wringing their hands about how "manosphere" content creators have captured the hearts and minds of their sons. If parents, educators, and political leaders don't work hard to reduce the poisonous cultural rhetoric that demeans boys for who they are and offer a more positive model of masculinity, then Andrew Tate and Myron Gaines are just the beginning.

RoseslnTheHospital · 19/02/2023 21:35

So, bog standard MRA arguments there. Colour me surprised.

Women's opinions expressed firmly is characterised as "angry". Mens lethal violence is characterised as understandable and inevitable given that women are just not being nice enough in how they talk about this issue.

sabriellirael · 19/02/2023 21:48

RoseslnTheHospital · 19/02/2023 21:35

So, bog standard MRA arguments there. Colour me surprised.

Women's opinions expressed firmly is characterised as "angry". Mens lethal violence is characterised as understandable and inevitable given that women are just not being nice enough in how they talk about this issue.

Not a single person here said that men's lethal violence is understandable and inevitable, but nice try with the strawman argument.

You're welcome to disregard societal issues affecting men and boys as "bog standard MRA arguments," but don't be surprised when even more extremist influencers rise and amass far more popularity than Andrew Tate and Myron Gaines could ever dream of. People like you are very much part of the problem, and your self-centeredness and lack of empathy are doing nothing but accelerating this social phenomenon. You've made your bed, now lie in it.