Why women deserve less - how are these books allowed?

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I got an add on YouTube for this book

www.amazon.com/Women-Deserve-Less-Myron-Gaines/dp/B0BVDSBZYK

Listed as a no1 best seller. I think its found its way into not being hatespeech by a loophole of having a disclaimer saying "we are not telling you to hate women". But then goes on to list reasons to hate women.

What sad sad fragile men. I take some comfort that these mens lives must be so deeply unfulfilled if they feel the need to fill their minds with such hatred.

Yep, kinda thought that too.

Having just read the blurbs, those two books are not even remotely similar in content.

One appears to have just been made up by an angry bloke whose mummy/ex wife didn’t love him.

Firstly I would like to keep it civil, it's a Sunday morning lol.

I'm not saying I agree completely. There's woman that CANT have children which with what I'm saying just apply at all to them. I just mean in general as an overall. It's difficult to navigate you sum it up in a few lines on mumsnet. But my prospective on it is I can see how pay gap keeps families together. My sister is due back to work in 9 months of having a baby. Her wage is pretty much the same as her husbands. She contributes just as much as he does to the household, they can't afford to loose her wage. Me on the other hand was able to stay at home and be there for every mile stone of my children's lives including now because I am lower paid & less to loose. I'm not spinning the Financial plates. It's just one prospective of a very complicated Web.

While we still live in a world where some women are genuinely arguing that there is reason to support the gender pay gap, we are pretty fucked as a sex.

When men contribute so little to modern life that all they can hope for is to be unfairly paid more for the same work, they need to put their big boy shoes on and have a ponder about how they could do better. It doesn't mean belittling others and picking on women who largely already pick up most of the burden of life, bullying others just makes you look like a waste man.

My personal opinion of it all is I feel like we have gone too far into the modern world that things are crazy. We have become so accepting of everything. It's not as narrow minded as your making it out to be.

I would say this about feminism. It's better to have a worrier in a garden than a gardener in a war.

I could into very many reasons as to why that is relevant but it's too long to discuss

An oppressed/abused person writing like this about their oppressor/abuser is not the same thing as an oppressor/abuser writing like this about the oppressed/abused.

It would be the equivalent of releasing books called "I hate white people", vs "I hate black people". They might both be negative... but it is not the same.

Plus the language of the titles is different. "I hate men" is just a personal statement of like vs dislike. Whereas "why women deserve less" is an attempt at an actual argument others should follow, and one that reinforces an actual system of oppression that has historically existed and continues to exist.

There's woman that CANT have children
@Dandilion9
Are able to comprehend that some women DO NOT want kids.
Actually being childfree by choice is on the rise.

How many women are abused compared to men ? It is definitely a worse problem. Its not a double standard, both are bad. Just one is MORE dangerous than the other as men have physical power over women. My instinct reaction to a woman writing a book on her hatred of men is that its unfair and cruel. My instinct reaction for a man doing the same is fear, as its feeding into this 'manosphere' culture, just look at the news and issues in schools, misogyny and normalising violence towards women is growing. Its perfectly justified that one evokes a stronger reaction.

I have watched the authors pod casts. He truly hates women, he is currently in Dubai on a mission to support his buddy Andrew Tate. He believes men can cheat, and as it will be a man's job to protect the house from a (likely male intruder) a man should be able to demand sex as and he pleases because he holds the physical power. That is the message he is promoting.

Yes it's freedom of speech, but it is going to lead to women being hurt and abused. So I'm allowed to be angry!

I can comprehend that just fine thankyou.

I think what you can't comprehend is that not all of us think your way. Which is why you come across aggressive instead of being able to have a talk that may actually change views but aggression only instills defense mirrored. I'm so glad to be a feminist lol.

Those are the standard boilerplate incel beliefs.

As I understand it, the original incels were shy, nerdy men in tech careers who struggled to attract dates because (they thought) women were only interested in assertive, confident men. They were writing from their own experiences and the assumptions that sprang from that.

But that metastasised over 20 years to the cargo cult that is incel-ism today with loons like Andrew Tate preaching a gospel that bears no resemblance to reality.

@Dandilion9 i don’t think you’re interested in a talk that changes views tbh, your views are in my opinion so skewed that reason will not matter! How can there be a justification for paying two people different wages for the exact same work, it’s fundamentally unjust. Your only rationale seems to be so that women are trapped into relying financially on a man when they may have no desire to be or indeed when they have no desire or possibly ability to have children at all? I would hate to be a SAHM. Paying me less than my male colleagues would make no difference at all, especially as my DH works in a completely different industry so I would still likely be earning more than him anyway - just disadvantaged for no good reason against my male peers! Your reasoning is as deficient as that of Tate and his buddies.

We need to talk about incels. Unfortunately.

Pay gap I actually kind of believe in a little, you have to give women incentive to want to stay at home with children. I think it's important to spend atleast the first 5 years being a dedicated mum. If women earn the same of men not only do you give them the same amount of pay but the same amount of responsibility to work. And for alot of women it can be a choice to stay at home & raise children because the man is bringing home the bacon in the first place.

What an absolute load of baloney. I'm a child free (by choice) woman with a house-husband and I am far from the only one. And for women with children, I think the opposite of what you say is true - they should be incentivised to build their own careers, not discouraged!

What have a just read 😂

Not hating as such, but keeping a distrust of men who are not well-known to you is actually quite sensible for women though, given that a third of men have a criminal record, and the vast majority of violent and sex offenders are men. We have a damned good reason to hate some men. Vice versa it doesn't work the same way.

And I'd rather become a nun than touch Andrew Tate with someone else's bargepole.

"When men contribute so little to modern life" what world are you living in? Because if it's this one, then men contribute the lion's share to every facet of modern life, from maintaining our cities and infrastructure to providing essential services and defending your rights. That's why they collectively work longer hours, retire later, and make up the bulk of workplace deaths. It's also accepted by economists around the world that the gender pay gap has little to do with employer discrimination, and far more to do with career choice, the number of hours worked, and the financial penalty of maternity leave and motherhood. Childless women easily make just as much if not more than their male counterparts. It's also interesting how you're angry about men "belittling women" when you've used belittling language this entire time, accusing men of "contributing so little" and telling them to put their "big boy shoes on." You should probably practice what you preach.

men contribute the lion's share to every facet of modern life, from maintaining our cities and infrastructure to providing essential services and defending your rights.

Fantasy land.

So given that men contribute the ‘lions share’ do you honestly believe society would function if women didn’t work?

Bye-bye pretty much every educational setting and hospital.

Hope this utopia where men reign supreme doesn’t need children, or childcare for those children.

What the fuck have I just read? Are you on glue? You want women discriminated against and trapped. Do You want to go back 60 years, what's your limit to laws that discriminate against women? Should we scrap the laws I mentioned in my pp?

Childless women easily make just as much if not more than their male counterparts.

Ooh, that's nice to know - I await a nice surprise on payday next month!

I don't agree with the premise of the book but have no problems with it being published.

😂. You're kidding, right? Or did you just forget to engage your brain this morning?

I think that people should be able to write books about their ideas, and that other people should be able to say why they think their ideas are wrong or foolish.