Johnny Depp has played a blinder

[bennetmoore]

Johnny Depp’s legal team really have played an absolute blinder. He probably won’t win the case as defamation trials are nigh on impossible to win in the USA but he’s ruined her life and so that’s a win for him. I don’t think she’s necessarily an angel but a woman having a fairly brash/mouthy personality does not mean violent retaliation from the man is justified, nor does she deserve to be raped by the man. And no, I don’t believe Johnny in his 50s with his fame, money and power was frightened or intimidated by an early 20s Amber. He wanted a young, blonde accessory girlfriend, a ‘bangmaid’, so to speak. That’s why he describes her withholding drugs from him during active withdrawal (and it was said that this is the recommend way to help the addict during withdrawal) as ‘cruel’.

I know intelligent, switched on women who have completely fallen for the ‘Amber is Satan’ bandwagon. A relative’s wife who was a child protection social worker for decades in the USA, Kentucky, explicitly said on Facebook “I don’t believe her, she doesn’t act like the many abuse victims I’ve seen.” I was stunned. She also shared a post written by a man describing how Amber’s baby needs to be removed from her, Amber doesn’t deserve to be a mother, speculating that Amber probably physically abused her daughter etc. Also petitions to have Amber’s baby removed from her, which I think is absolutely vile. This is an actual living child, not a prop for entertainment.

I think Johnny knows exactly what he is doing. His laughing in court is vile, it reminds me of my abusive ex laughing and belittling me. Watching the laughing and his smug was actually very triggering for me, and the way Amber became anxious in response. He made a huge deal about being absolutely gutted about not getting to say a ‘proper’ goodbye to the Jack Sparrow character. Again, I’m not convinced. He’s trying to get people to see him as their favourite movie character in an attempt to get them to sympathise with him, I can’t believe people are falling for it. I personally won’t be having Pirates Of the Caribbean on in my home again.

Why do you think Depp was not given leave to appeal by a different set of judges then?

I can't blame him really. If I'd had someone chop my finger off and shit in my bed and then sit on a throne of lies as a ambassador for DA.

There’s zero evidence she did either of these things. Texts from JD said he cut his own finger.

Lol the souls in here still going on and on about how Amber is a victim 😆 are these like paid by her legal team or sommat. Back to the real world...

Why do you think Depp was not given leave to appeal by a different set of judges then?

They applied to appeal on the basis that if "the truth" about the charity claim had been known during the trial, it would have affected the judge's consideration of the actress's evidence. I guess whoever ruled on the case didn't think it would have done so denied the appeal.

YANBU

his obsessive fans that will carry on with the punishment these are mainly women and middle aged wtf is wrong with them they need to concentrate on their own lives as he won’t care he will just give out the odd statement saying how grateful he is and turn up on occasion so fans can pay to talk to him

All I know is that AH is making an absolute tit of herself on the stand. The fake crying and ridiculous facial expressions are embarrassing to watch. What on earth is she thinking. Just tell the jury what happened in a calm and collected manner.

Maybe she's thinking how awful it is to have to relive all of it in front of Depp?
I'm not sure I could be calm and collected if I had to recount some of the things she is saying.

I struggle to understand how people watching proceedings on screen come to the decision that they absolutely know who is right and who is wrong. Who is really the villain and who is the victim. The truth is OP, that you nor I have a clue

I don’t think his primary motive is to take her down with him, it is simply money.

JD discovered his finances were in a parlous state when they were still together. He testified to this:

After 30 years of working in the industry, I was pretty shocked to learn exactly where I was financially… an inordinate amount of money was gone

And her lawsuit affected his work/earnings.

He’s had 30 years of drug and alcohol addiction, an undisclosed payout to VP which he complained of as we know, houses in the US, France, a private island and a yacht.

It’s a way to restore his finances. He may also not realise how badly he comes across, people rarely do, particularly if they’re addicts and off their face half the time.

It’s generally a sign of a low iq. It’s the tabloid readers who fervently believe they can discern truth from facial expressions and pics in the paper.

Or maybe they're watching the court case live?

Adam why the fake crying with no tears? Sorry but we aren't silly, humans can sense real emotion. She might not feel at ease on the stand I can understand that, it must be mortifying for both of them to have their private lives played to the entire world but the face pulling and pretend crying just makes a mockery of the whole process.

They may be - hence my comment on deducing truth from facial expressions.

I agree.

Our legal system works on the basis of 'innocent until proven guilty'. Proving rape happened is difficult and we might even see more malicious claims if it was easier to get somebody convicted without reasonably solid proof.

Indeed. But there's evidence of two fairly damning points in the form of texts from Stephen Deuters. One was, and I quote 'he kicked you'. That's eyewitness testimony that Depp struck Heard.

The surrounding context of that quote is also interesting. Deuters is explaining to Depp what happened - albeit at the same time he's acting as his flying monkey - because Depp was too inebriated in his blacked-out state to remember what had happened. He was contrite and full of remorse, by Deuters' account. (And aren't they always?)

The context is interesting because it tends to confirm that when Depp was under the influence, he was too out of control to remember what had happened once he sobered up. In which case, how exactly can he be so convinced he's never struck Heard? It's there in the text, from his own side, albeit couched in the language of Deuters' own apologism.

On the stand, Heard was asked why she recorded a particular incident, I think it was this same one. His lawyers got her response - she wanted to show him how bad he was in case he couldn't remember later - struck out as 'speculation'.

That was a master-stroke on their part. These people know their business. They're very good, likely the best money can buy.

So do people here genuinely believe AH did not behave in a abusive manner towards JD? That she is nothing but the sole victim.

It's my belief that both were abusive towards eachother on seperate occasions. I do believe that the op-ed tried to glaze over if not omit the fact that AH was abusive towards JD.

If however you believe AH is not a abusive person, we will just have to agree to disagree won't we.

Those recordings paint neither of them in a good light. Addicts can be hell to live with; manipulators who goad and taunt don't sound much of a picnic either. Is it likely both are abusers and victims at the same time? Probably. Is emotional/psychological abuse sometimes just as damaging as the physical kind? IME, yes; sometimes worse. Is reactive abuse still abuse? Yes. It might be mitigated in some way, and had this been a criminal case a court might take this into account in sentencing. The sentence would still be the same, though.

The question is, did Heard defame Depp when she called herself a victim of abuse? If the above scenario is right, whether or not she conveniently left out his side of the whole ugly scenario, he can't win his case. She's still a victim, whether or not he was a victim also.

Did he orchestrate a smear campaign against her and pursue/stalk and punish her through the courts? That does sound plausible irrespective of anything Heard may or may not say on the stand, considering Depp's legal team have very effectively proven her to have lied (perjured herself) on at least one key point.

That's hurt her case, casting doubt on her credibility as a witness. His legal team are doing a great job, especially if they've succeeded in getting Deuters' evidence struck.

Hers are a liability.

I’m not following it, I think it’s pretty awful it’s so public, I’ve seen snippets. It seems this is the reason why it’s public.

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Is it likely both are abusers and victims at the same time?

The issue is where is the locus of abuse.

Is this ‘common couple violence’ which is a result of an inability to resolve conflict constructively - where both partners are a bit feisty and fisty, they go hammer and tongs but it’s equal, injuries are rare, and, crucially there’s no attempt to control the other pattern, no coercive control - both partners use aggression that is non-controlling. It does not escalate or become more frequent.

Or is this ‘intimate terrorism’ where the abuse emanates from one partner, where the aggression is controlling, yet also out of control, and the resulting fight back from the other partner is in response to the abuse. In some cases you see meek withdrawal in the victim, in other causes you see traumatised anger, indignation, aggression.

I don’t see the pattern of the former, I do see the hallmarks of the latter.

The problem for AH is that people do not want to acknowledge their heart throb might be a hot mess whose life is out of control and treats his partner like shit. If they were to, they would need a clear cut case where he is aggressive and she is meek and mouselike. But AH is not like that - she’s emotional and angry and fights back. And damaged. As you would be if you had been with someone who behaves as JD since you were 22.

Thus she gets labelled as abusive and the whole picture is muddied.

If AH had been the principle abuser she could have walked away from the relationship without a word and her reputation intact. What she actually did was apply for a restraining order.

She applied for a restraining order secure in the knowledge he was leaving the area due to a death in the family

She also tried to demand that herself and her friends continue to be able to use the penthouse next to his (and he pay for it)

She requested meetings with him trying to get back with him breaking the restraining order herself

It is interesting that for some JD using the law is continuing the abuse, yet AH using the law proves his guilt and her innocent.

Neither of these two come out of this smelling of roses. As to who is worse? We will never know.

And just to clarify "principle abusers" rarely if ever just "walk away" they like to let you go reel you in let you go again reel you in again try and get your attention in every way possible like a child any attention given is feeding the beast like accidentally sending you a text message saying "I love you" or whatever then following up with "sorry wrong person"

It's been 6 years after my headworker and I split on MONDAY he sent me photos "wrong person" fucking MONDAY 🤣 they never ever end we have kids so I can't block him but in ten years our youngest turns 18 and he will be blocked

@Theunamedcat you absolutely CAN block him. Email only.

it’s what my oh had had to do with his ex.

ok she tries her manipulative behaviour through their dc phone, but it’s so obvious it’s her, it’s easy to ignore/diffuse.

Abusers DO back off when they know there is no chance at all of getting at or to you and there is absolutely zero reaction they’re going to get from you.

Abusers DO back off when they know there is no chance at all of getting at or to you and there is absolutely zero reaction they’re going to get from you.
It's so weird how many people know how to manage abusers yet people who live with them can't stop their abuse <sarcasm>

That's bollocks BTW