Johnny Depp has played a blinder

[bennetmoore]

Johnny Depp’s legal team really have played an absolute blinder. He probably won’t win the case as defamation trials are nigh on impossible to win in the USA but he’s ruined her life and so that’s a win for him. I don’t think she’s necessarily an angel but a woman having a fairly brash/mouthy personality does not mean violent retaliation from the man is justified, nor does she deserve to be raped by the man. And no, I don’t believe Johnny in his 50s with his fame, money and power was frightened or intimidated by an early 20s Amber. He wanted a young, blonde accessory girlfriend, a ‘bangmaid’, so to speak. That’s why he describes her withholding drugs from him during active withdrawal (and it was said that this is the recommend way to help the addict during withdrawal) as ‘cruel’.

I know intelligent, switched on women who have completely fallen for the ‘Amber is Satan’ bandwagon. A relative’s wife who was a child protection social worker for decades in the USA, Kentucky, explicitly said on Facebook “I don’t believe her, she doesn’t act like the many abuse victims I’ve seen.” I was stunned. She also shared a post written by a man describing how Amber’s baby needs to be removed from her, Amber doesn’t deserve to be a mother, speculating that Amber probably physically abused her daughter etc. Also petitions to have Amber’s baby removed from her, which I think is absolutely vile. This is an actual living child, not a prop for entertainment.

I think Johnny knows exactly what he is doing. His laughing in court is vile, it reminds me of my abusive ex laughing and belittling me. Watching the laughing and his smug was actually very triggering for me, and the way Amber became anxious in response. He made a huge deal about being absolutely gutted about not getting to say a ‘proper’ goodbye to the Jack Sparrow character. Again, I’m not convinced. He’s trying to get people to see him as their favourite movie character in an attempt to get them to sympathise with him, I can’t believe people are falling for it. I personally won’t be having Pirates Of the Caribbean on in my home again.

People genuinely believe that Amber is (legitimately) evil and Johnny Depp was a terrified trapped victim. It really is ridiculous, he’s being infantilised.

@bennetmoore
How do you explain the phone conversations where she’s calling him a baby because she was hitting him and that if he ever told anyone about her abusing him no one would believe him because he’s a man?

That definitely doesn’t sound like a women who is being abused.

And by her own admission in the recordings she is the one physically hitting him and taunting him afterwards telling him no one will believe him which is mentally abusive.

Yep, Amber isn’t the ‘right’ kind of victim. I believe she probably got very angry at Johnny’s initial abusive behaviours and general loutishness and so challenged him, called him out on his drug/drink use. This frustrated Johnny and he likely wasn’t faced with this backlash in previous relationships, so it caused his behaviour to escalate in ways it hasn’t in previous relationships.

Yep, Amber isn’t the ‘right’ kind of victim

I think the wall-to-wall commentary, vitriol, projection, misogyny, pretty much all of it can be traced back to this ^

She's not the right kind of victim for many people, ergo she is not a victim for many people.

@Onwards22

“That definitely doesn’t sound like a woman who is being abused.”

Sigh.

Several times after slaps/punches by my abusive ex husband I reacted by losing my shit and screaming/yelling at him for it. I had learned of his general pattern. His slaps didn’t generally escalate into beatings until just before I left him. When it was ‘just’ a single punch, I felt able
to challenge him over the punches afterwards within necessarily feeling he was going to kill me for it. He’d hit me across the face then generally would ‘de-escalate’ after that.

In fact there was one time where my first reaction after he punched me was to berate him for doing so with our 7 month old in the room.

Johnny Depp doing his bit for the patriarchy, showing women everywhere what happens when they speak out.

Twice he's dragged her through the courts, using the legal system to perpetuate abuse. She's not a 'good' victim as far as media/ public opinion is concerned so potentially ruined whatever happens in court.

I don't believe the shit thing either, again an attempt to ruin her reputation with the grossest thing he could think of. Oddly I remember an interview he gave thirty years ago when he claimed fans were so crazy they were trying to buy his actual shit. This was when he was at the height of fame and in all the teen magazines.i remember it because it was so odd and gross, I just couldn't believe it. I don't think drugs and an ex wife are Johnny's only problems, seems to have a childish/weird fixation. Grim

Yep, Amber isn’t the ‘right’ kind of victim

or JD isn't the 'right' kind of victim?

@time4chocolate.

He is though in the eyes of society, so your counter-point doesn’t stand. That’s “whataboutism”. Johnny Depp has played many beloved movie characters and is a nostalgic childhood icon for many people. He has a place in people’s hearts.

He goes to visit kids with cancer in his Jack Sparrow outfit, so he can’t ever have done anything wrong in his romantic relationships, right?

But Amber is mouthy and gobby = devil incarnate.

Amber didn't have to prove anything in the UK. The Sun had to prove that on a balance of probability what they said about him was correct.

The standards are completely different for men.

I believe you

@BorderlineHappy

Oh, I didn’t expect you to believe me. I don’t give a flying fuck if you believe me. At least you’ve shown your true colours though, about having form for not believing abuse victims who act outside of your template.

When the punches first started, it was once every few months. I didn’t see it as that big of a deal. Every time without fail he’d suddenly go meek and emotional and apologetic afterwards. I knew he wouldn’t do anything in this state, I’d let out my frustration and anger and I would shout.

After a few years when he did escalate to beating me, I lost my confidence in doing that.

@BorderlineHappy I'm not sure where you usually post but that victim blaming shit doesn't fly here especially not against other posters.

Educate yourself on DV. You owe OP an apology.

I grew up with a drunkard dad as well and it was just expected that occasionally he’d let out pent up frustrations by throwing a shoe/plant pot at mum, but after that he’d calm down and things would be fine because he’d let it all out. It was just a part of life. Hardly surprising I ended up a relationship with similar behaviours.

I suspect that poster is trying some weird psychology trick on me. To get me upset about not being believed so that I can see it from Johnny’s point of view.

I think that's a very sensible post.

It was a toxic relationship for both of them. Both of them could and should have left. I don't buy into the idea that it was too difficult for Amber to leave her abuser. I think they were both getting something out of being horrible to the other.

Depp however could easily have done his own opinion piece/ interview/ whatever to refute her article. He's coming out of this really badly- horrible man. I can't defend him and it has spoilt his films for me. The beautiful, kind, sensitive Gilbert Grape has gone forever.

It was incrediblely silly of Amber to say she would give her whole divorce settlement away. Even at the time , I thought "aye right, sure you will". I wouldn't think any ill of her at all for keeping it- why should she not? The court awarded it, it's fair dues. Taking it and saying she will give it to give to charity and then not doing so is shooting herself in the foot.

Totally agree that she’s not the right kind of victim.

The odd thing is that women who don’t really understand abusive relationships often suggest fighting back, standing ground, not letting him get away with stuff. Well this is what that looks like. So they recommend it but when they see it in real life they judge it for not being victimy enough.

I’m going to have to log out and abandon this thread now, I’m actually in shock at that comment.

I stand by everything I said. Amber isn’t an angel and obviously has issues but so does Johnny. He is an abuser, I’m confident the jury will see that.

I think JD has nuked his entire career.

I felt this lawsuit was about trying to restore his reputation by going after Heard and also potentially to recoup some money lost from the previous fall out (work he was let go from etc).

The whole thing is a spectacular misfire.

I’m sorry you feel that way OP. Thanks for the thread, it has partially restored my sanity on this case.

I think JD is a hot mess, and so many women fancy or have fancied him so much they just don’t want to believe it.

See that's exactly what I mean.
You're making assumptions about DV.
You can't start a thread expecting everyone to agree with you.

Op doesn't believe someone who was a victim of DV.
Whether they are a man or woman is not here nor there.
If you expect people to believe you,you show the same kind of respect back.

I never said JD was an angel but AH is a woman who abused that fact.
She even says it.

I don't believe her. I don't think most psychologists who work with abuse victims recognise the tearless theatrics of her testimony.

That’s a huge assumption. I’m sorry I don’t subscribe to ‘always believing the woman’, I known some evil women make horrendous accusations, ruin lives and actually driven someone to take their life & then admit they’d made a false rape claim. It happens.
not mention how many times men & boys of colour have been beaten and killed by false claims.. look up Emmett Till