Johnny Depp has played a blinder

[bennetmoore]

Johnny Depp’s legal team really have played an absolute blinder. He probably won’t win the case as defamation trials are nigh on impossible to win in the USA but he’s ruined her life and so that’s a win for him. I don’t think she’s necessarily an angel but a woman having a fairly brash/mouthy personality does not mean violent retaliation from the man is justified, nor does she deserve to be raped by the man. And no, I don’t believe Johnny in his 50s with his fame, money and power was frightened or intimidated by an early 20s Amber. He wanted a young, blonde accessory girlfriend, a ‘bangmaid’, so to speak. That’s why he describes her withholding drugs from him during active withdrawal (and it was said that this is the recommend way to help the addict during withdrawal) as ‘cruel’.

I know intelligent, switched on women who have completely fallen for the ‘Amber is Satan’ bandwagon. A relative’s wife who was a child protection social worker for decades in the USA, Kentucky, explicitly said on Facebook “I don’t believe her, she doesn’t act like the many abuse victims I’ve seen.” I was stunned. She also shared a post written by a man describing how Amber’s baby needs to be removed from her, Amber doesn’t deserve to be a mother, speculating that Amber probably physically abused her daughter etc. Also petitions to have Amber’s baby removed from her, which I think is absolutely vile. This is an actual living child, not a prop for entertainment.

I think Johnny knows exactly what he is doing. His laughing in court is vile, it reminds me of my abusive ex laughing and belittling me. Watching the laughing and his smug was actually very triggering for me, and the way Amber became anxious in response. He made a huge deal about being absolutely gutted about not getting to say a ‘proper’ goodbye to the Jack Sparrow character. Again, I’m not convinced. He’s trying to get people to see him as their favourite movie character in an attempt to get them to sympathise with him, I can’t believe people are falling for it. I personally won’t be having Pirates Of the Caribbean on in my home again.

But her team didn't ask about arnica cream. They asked about amica cream. They couldn't even get that right.

If...

I struggle to see re-abusing a woman in the court of law and paying social media lackeys to pretend they're fans and to call for her to be sacked, as playing a blinder.
Depp has made this his legacy. And in the meantime increased the trauma of thousands of abuse victims who have had to read all the victim-blaming shit that his team have put all over social media.
He's deeply unpleasant. And the courts need to get a grip to stop abusive men using the courts as an extension of their abuse. Men are already doing it in the UK. The misogyny is disgusting.
And yy it's very unfortunate you accidentally posted in the feminism section. This isn't a feminist issue. It's an abusive man issue and abusive men affect millions of women not just those who are interested in feminism or declare themselves feminists.

The texts were retrieved from the phone company I believe. Not sure how that could be asked.

She's a social climber all actors are

with a personality disorder.
I don't think this is 100% diagnosed? Diagnosed by drs Jonny hired. It's a v flimsy diagnosis as a whole which when you break it down can be seen as result of trauma

She also punched her ex girlfriend.

No this has been demonstrated to be untrue.

😄😄👌🏿

Great response.

Alright, no.

But then I don't think it ought to be as I believe she is the perpetrator of the DV here.

And do you think men generally have their life ruined when they are violent domestically?

Mike Tyson? Mel Gibson? Sean Penn?

Ugh, this is so annoying. Not one of the ‘Amber Heard lied for attention’ people has actually commented on what her editorial even said that was worthy of repeated trials.

Nor response to explain the text from one of his own, on payroll, apologists claiming abuse. I’m really interested to know how that is AH lying and what the response is to that?

And again, nobody is commenting the a) damning evidencing for JD (there are links to it in this post) and the really shitty fact that ‘there’s no evidence’ when her witnesses don’t take to stand until next week.

I’m also a little disturbed that people think that Johnny (apparently) not abusing previous partners is proof that he didn’t abuse Amber.

Sometimes certain personalities will clash and it will trigger somebody’s abusive traits. I don’t mean that as victim blaming, as the underlying trait as an abuser is always there, but somebody who stands up to lower level abusive behaviour may trigger the abuser to escalate.

I think Amber is outspoken and knows her own mind. Maybe she challenged certain unacceptable behaviours of Johnny’s (lower level abuse) that were ignored by his previous partners, and this frustrated him.

She certainly comes across as strong-willed but I don’t think this means she can’t possibly be an abuse victim.

@SlatsandFlaps why don’t you educate yourself about what abuse actually involves…
JD’s claim that he never hit a woman even if true, is absolutely pathetic. He’s been abusive as shit.

Thanks for the links to the Medium article and the mamamia one too.

Before reading them I knew some of the stuff and now I know more stuff and wow.

I thought she'd been abusive in previous relationships. She hadn't. I had no idea of the sexual violence. I wondered about the bed shitting but then it turns out that he'd made a joke to an assistant that it would be a funny thing to do ... and on and on it goes. I'd read Jennifer Grey's thing just last night and it had given me more pause for thought.

The thing is I had no doubts at all that he had been abusive to some level. He's a charming man, he's a decent actor, but he's always been trouble. Given that and his addictions, it seemed that it wasn't at all out of character to be at the very least difficult, maybe a bit violent. It's so much more than that, isn't it? I'm guessing that this relationship was a perfect storm and that it had never gone this far before but it was not out of character given his previous behaviour.

The thing is I thought she was abusive too. Maybe as abusive as him. Clearly not. She fought back and sometimes it appears, from edited recorded messages, that she goaded him but that doesn't make her an equal abuser, it makes her a victim who fought back.

I have no idea what sort of person she is but I'm pretty sure that the person she's being described as by people who think the sun shines out of Depp's arsehole or who have believed - as did I - many of the lies written about her, is not who she is. She's not a perfect victim but she is a victim and Johnny Depp is an abuser. The only thing he's a victim of is his own narcissism.

I have had the exact same experience with a woman I believed and backed initially. I've also encountered another woman since who accused her ex husband of violence and child sexual abuse and again after believing her and trying to help at first i came to see the lies ad manipulation for what they were. Neither of these cases negate the fact that prosecution and conviction rates for rape are appallingly low.
I don't think that from a televised trial presented as entertainment we can judge either party conclusively. I will say that Amber's failure to pay the millions to charity that she claimed she would, and Depp's brutally misogynistic texts (that one about the 'slippery whore I donated my jizz to' was particularly vile) suggest that neither party is blameless or honest. But Johnny gets an easier ride for his obviously appalling intoxicated behaviours while she is labelled borderline and histrionic. He is the rock star tolerated for his instability, and she the discarded hanger on. Plenty of his documented behaviours suggest borderline personality disorder at very least but he manages to escape investigation. I cannot understand why this would be.

I'd like to bring up the BPD thing again. BPD alone is not an indication that a person will be violent. Research indicates that violent people often have BPD but generally other comorbidities as well. It's also true that people with BPD are more likely to be victims of violence. It's just the way we roll. BPD isn't all about the rage and often isn't about the rage at all.

Have to agree even though she has also been verbally and possibly physically abusive. Another issue which has not been dealt with adequately is the size and strength difference. A blow from her doesn't have the impact of a blow from him although from knowing male victims I understand that men may hold back from any form of self defence or retaliation ad they are aware of their much greater capacity to injure the woman.

Oh! Multiposting maniac. I forgot that I've read in quite a few places, before this trial or the previous one, that Depp's sacking from the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise was on the cards before any of this came out because of his on set behaviour.

Agreed. BPD, or emotionally unstable personality disorder as its now termed, Is quite rarely associated with violence toward others- more often, violent impulses are directed toward the self. I have bpd and hearing Amber's pleas to Johnny not to leave her struck a chord. She wasn't safe with him but separation felt worse. And I suspect the refusal to give him 'space" triggered more defensive attitudes in him. Relationships in these situations are a downward spiral.

It's awful isn't it.
So many women with abusive partners get sucked into those relationships precisely because their self esteem is low/they have boundary issues from a traumatic childhood.
Those people are also likely to be hypervigilant to their partner leaving.
Its horrible to hear those common behaviours being described as a reason why she is lying.
On a feminist board as well.

People genuinely believe that Amber is (legitimately) evil and Johnny Depp was a terrified trapped victim. It really is ridiculous, he’s being infantilised. It fascinates me as I’ve never seen anything like it. Some people struggle to separate him from the likeable, funny character of Jack Sparrow.

This so true, bit it's also important to note that in some cases of BPD "rage" can occur.

Some may be verbally aggressive during the rage but it can also escalated to physical violence.

BPD is such a broad diagnosis however that many, many behaviours can be exhibited. Not everyone with BPD will "behave" the same way. It's so big a diagnosis. Not everyone with BPD will be violent but some are.

Same as PTSD and complex PTSD. So many symptoms, that someone can exhibit some or all.

I mean AH''s team want her to have PTSD to demonstrate the aftermath of abuse. JD's team want her to have BPD so they can say she has uncontrollable rage and is aggressive.

What AH really needs, in my opinion, is a impartial Dr after all this, so she can be diagnosed correctly and given appropriate support for a mental health condition, be it BPD, PTSD or both. Just for her long term health and emotional well-being that's all.

Its horrible to hear those common behaviours being described as a reason why she is lying

Yes. That has been a particularly harrowing thing to observe. We're in the eye of a storm that will be unpicked for years to come.

This ^

Even her over the top behaviour/body language in court isn’t necessarily proof that she’s lord.

Maybe she does have some kind of personality disorder and is somewhat thriving in the environment and the attention, still doesn’t mean that the claims themselves are false.

Or perhaps she is well aware of the media/public vitriol toward her and so she is panicking and trying her hardest at a personal method of damage control. Again, still doesn’t mean the initial allegations are false.

*lied not lord

Yes. Multiple prosecutions for rape and sexual assault have failed to get off the ground because the victim wasn't perfect (too angry, sexual, independent etc)