Why are there petitions to take Amber Heard down?

[redhoodred1]

Why are people not accepting that they are mutually abusive? Why is everyone acting like Johnny Depp is an innocent victim? Why is it that when Chris Brown BATTERED Rihanna the world forgot real quick and he went back to his world of glamour, babes, money and success?

Why is society soooooo hard on women? Like when a mother goes on holiday it’s ‘oh she left the kids, why isn’t she with the kids?’ Or ‘oh he cheated, probably because she’s such a handful or doesn’t take care of herself anymore,’ or ‘why is she always working, she has kids to take care of.’

Society is tooooo damn hard on women. I’m not by any means claiming that she is innocent, but over two million people have petitioned to have her removed from her movie, people are boycotting the woman, and quite literally acting like Johnny Depp is an absolute saint.

Mutual abuse is real, it is quite possible for two people to both be as bad as eachother :-/

[Kennykenkencat]

@redhoodred1

Were you? And I never said she isn’t guilty aren’t you listening? I’m saying an allegation doesn’t prove guilt so it’s irrelevant unless she was convicted

One allegation of abuse could just be someone being vindictive

It isn’t just one in this case.

[Midlifemusings]

I think this is the downside of 'cancel culture'. Cancel culture isn't about holding people accountable - personal and professional accountability existed long before social media. We have courts that hold people accountable and individuals can choose how they spend resources etc in not supporting those they don't wish to support. Cancel culture to me is this idea of wanting to ruin people's lives (get them fired, ruin their reputation, force them out of town or into hiding, harrass their family, death threats etc). People need to work to pay bills, support families etc and so the pressure to always get x fired has never made sense to me. People not working doesn't help anyone and hurts more people than the individual. Employers can always choose to terminate if an employee breaches a contract but so often they are terminating due to public pressure fear or repercussions - they feel they don't have a choice.

[redhoodred1]

@Kennykenkencat

One allegation of abuse could just be someone being vindictive

It isn’t just one in this case.

It is also the case that a toxic partner can be very much aware of that allegation and use it against you.

They are both actors, we are not for one minute seeing the reality of what really happened. Johnny Depp is sitting there head buried downwards because he’s ‘too traumatised’ to look at her, she’s trying to be charismatic on the stand last night when talking about her life, he’s refusing to make eye contact with the jury because he’s ‘so meak and damaged by the trauma of the relationship.’ They are both acting the biggest role of their lives, but only one of them is being severely picked on. Public opinion is on Johnny’s side but guess what? This isn’t a criminal matter, he didn’t report her to the police to get ‘justice’ for what had ‘endured,’ it’s about saving his reputation. It’s like he knew she had skeletons in her closest and he wanted to publicly humiliate her.

My ex told me that he had reported me to the police because I needed to understand who was in control and to ‘do as I’m told.’

People keep saying ‘she’s not acting like a victim, she’s not crying, she’s too confident,’ that doesn’t prove anything there is 6.4 billion people in the world we all behave differently.

I’ve also seen a lot of comments about everyone liking Johnny and him being so adored and kind. The most severely narcissistic and severelyyyy abusive men I have ever met in my life also had the most exceptional reputations to the outside world. My friends 15 year old daughter cried to me about her dad stamping on her mother’s chest, she literally heard her ribs crack, there have been times he has battered her black and blue, thrown her, spat at her, brought out a knife and guess what? Everyoneeee loves him and I’ve heard many people over the years say that she is a handful and he is a lovely guy and he should just move on.

Him being massively liked means nothing. In fact, that is often part of the lure of an abuser, and what keeps you. You wonder, well everyone else likes him so it must be me!

Amber Heard has also been abusive, however the world is very much making sure she is punished for that! But if I have to read one more ‘we love you Johnny, you’re an amazing kind man and you will recover from this trauma!’ I think I’ll lose my mind.

[redhoodred1]

People are literally scared to represent her or act as an expert witness because they world is turning against them as well :-/

[MaChienEstUnDick]

People are kind of forgetting the timeline here

The SUN - NOT Amber Heard - published an article saying JD was violent/abusive towards AH
Disney stood by him
JD then took the Sun - NOT AH - to court for libel (in the UK)
The judge found that 12 out of the 14 points challenged by JD's lawyers were likely to be true, so the Sun article was in fact truthful and not libellous
JD started to lose work
JD then decided to take AH to court for libel based on a Washington Post article she wrote about abuse which didn't name him... bringing the whole thing up again. Whether this is desperation to clear his name or a final act of abuse by a raging narc, is up to you to decide of course.

Meanwhile AH has managed to hang on to one high profile role, I guess by the skin of her teeth. JD's Sauvage poster has been on my bus stop all the way through by the way, so he hasn't lost all his work.

This 'AH destroyed JD and now she must pay' narrative is toxic and my hot take is JD knew it would be, which is why he gambled on a second trial.

[Midlifemusings]

There are multiple possible reasons as to why Johnny has kept his head down and not looked at the jury. Unless you are part of his legal team, there is no way to know what the reasoning behind that decision is. Just like there are many possible reasons for Amber's theatrical performance on the stand and again - no way to know the reasoning behind that presentation.

I don't get the posts trying to really defend the actions of either person. They have both clearly acted horribly and both likely have compounded trauma from this relationship to add to the previous traumas they had. There is no clear villain.

[MaChienEstUnDick]

Remember too that JD knew the way the American justice system works, particularly wrt reporting, and knew it would work in his favour. He doesn't need to 'win' - he just needs to get enough people believing she's as bad as him. Between the court reporting, her terrible legal team and his flying monkey social media bots, I'd say job done.

@redhoodred1 I hear you and I see you. I hope this case isn't making life more difficult for you, it's clear you can see parallels between JD's behaviour and your ex's. Stay strong

[Littlegoth]

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[redhoodred1]

@MaChienEstUnDick

Remember too that JD knew the way the American justice system works, particularly wrt reporting, and knew it would work in his favour. He doesn't need to 'win' - he just needs to get enough people believing she's as bad as him. Between the court reporting, her terrible legal team and his flying monkey social media bots, I'd say job done.

@redhoodred1 I hear you and I see you. I hope this case isn't making life more difficult for you, it's clear you can see parallels between JD's behaviour and your ex's. Stay strong

Thank you so much, and yes I really really do.

I accessed my medical notes recently to bring to the interview to show that for years I have been mentioning things here and there when since I was under psychologist due to the severe anxiety he was causing me. One of the psychologists that assessed me wrote ‘she attended with her partner who was encouraging and basically supportive, she was very hostile and wouldn’t speak or give me any indication of what was going on in her life, she kept stopping him when he spoke and then she left.’

I kept stopping him because he kept ‘encouraging’ me to tell them how ‘sick’ I was and I knew that wasn’t the case. I was fine without him. But his superhero narrative was absolutely believed by the psychologist who deemed him kind and caring and me hostile and uncooperative. He shouldn’t have even been at the appointment but she didn’t even consider why he was attending a psychology session. He merely wanted custody of our son so he needed the mental health team on his side.

I see him Johnny Depp soooo intensely, the difference is that Amber is not ‘the perfect victim’ because she is also at fault.

I just can’t understand why the world has decided that he is a poor innocent victim, instead of them being equally messed up and in need of intense therapy. He oozessss narcissism to me, to the extreme.

[redhoodred1]

@Midlifemusings

There are multiple possible reasons as to why Johnny has kept his head down and not looked at the jury. Unless you are part of his legal team, there is no way to know what the reasoning behind that decision is. Just like there are many possible reasons for Amber's theatrical performance on the stand and again - no way to know the reasoning behind that presentation.

I don't get the posts trying to really defend the actions of either person. They have both clearly acted horribly and both likely have compounded trauma from this relationship to add to the previous traumas they had. There is no clear villain.

It’s not about defending her actions it’s about being acknowledging exactly what you said, they are both in the wrong

[redhoodred1]

@MaChienEstUnDick

People are kind of forgetting the timeline here

The SUN - NOT Amber Heard - published an article saying JD was violent/abusive towards AH
Disney stood by him
JD then took the Sun - NOT AH - to court for libel (in the UK)
The judge found that 12 out of the 14 points challenged by JD's lawyers were likely to be true, so the Sun article was in fact truthful and not libellous
JD started to lose work
JD then decided to take AH to court for libel based on a Washington Post article she wrote about abuse which didn't name him... bringing the whole thing up again. Whether this is desperation to clear his name or a final act of abuse by a raging narc, is up to you to decide of course.

Meanwhile AH has managed to hang on to one high profile role, I guess by the skin of her teeth. JD's Sauvage poster has been on my bus stop all the way through by the way, so he hasn't lost all his work.

This 'AH destroyed JD and now she must pay' narrative is toxic and my hot take is JD knew it would be, which is why he gambled on a second trial.

Yes!

[Mommabear20]

Maybe because she's played the innocent victim and lied about so much!
Yes they may be mutually abusive, but she's made herself out to be an innocent victim, instead of saying 'we're both as bad as each other, let's just part ways and get on with our lives', she dragged him through the mud and made out she was sweet and innocent victim.
SHE Ives women a bad name. It's because of her and people like her that society is so hard on women. So no, absolutely no sympathy for her whatsoever

[ForTheLoveOfSleep]

I don't think it's because of the abuse itself but the way she went about it after the fact.
She didn't report to the police she intentionally set out to ruin him. That op-ed was written by her to specifically destroy his career. It was vindictive and ,as far as we know, nothing in there 8s true or has been proven in a court of law. Therefore Johnny, in this case, IS the victim of slander/defamation until proven otherwise.

[abblie]

Why is it so hard for women to accept women physically abuse men 😳

[PeekAtYou]

The trial isn't about whether or not Amber is a domestic abuser but public opinion trial has turned into who is worse- Amber or Johnny and Amber is the most popular opinion.

FWIW I think Amber probably suffered abuse but is continuing her abuse of him with stuff like the Op-Ed.

[PinkPlantCase]

@fossilsmorefossils

In my opinion Amber Heard was more abusive than Johnny Depp (my opinion, you don't have to agree with me). I also think neither actor should have their work cancelled.

Their acting is their job and they should be able to do that. Their abusive marriage and divorce is their private matter. I t would be idiotic if we'd start cancelling ordinary peoples work because of their private matters (within reason, a peadophile shouldn't work with children for example). It would be absolutely weird if we'd fire any surgeon, secretary or electrician because they had a toxic marriage that brought the worst in them.

We also don't know if Beethoven, Leonardo da Vinci and Julius Ceasar were good spouses and we're not cancelling them.

Michael Jacksons "man in the mirror" still has inspiring lyrics that are worth listening to.

Peoples job/work/art should be valued on it's own.

There are a lot of professional jobs when you can be struck off for committing crimes, not upholding that standards that are expected from a professional or for bringing the name of the profession into disrepute.

I’m and architect and can loose my registration that lets me practise and an architect for the reasons above. I would loose my job especially if their was publicity around it.

[redhoodred1]

This isn’t about women not being able to perpetrate abuse. This is about two people who are seemingly equally narcissistic, abusive and toxic but one of them is made out to be 58 year old male deception of mother Theresa, that is the unfair element of it.

Has Johnny admitted his wrong doings and taken responsibility also? Or is he dragging her through court to clear his name whilst claiming to be a victim of everything and a perpetrator of nothing.

How could she admit to her wrong doings when he clearly had no intention of doing the same hence he took her to court in the first instance.
That only works when both people are willing to accept fault, if one does and the other doesn’t then it can go completely south for the person who was honest.

[redhoodred1]

@redhoodred1

This isn’t about women not being able to perpetrate abuse. This is about two people who are seemingly equally narcissistic, abusive and toxic but one of them is made out to be 58 year old male deception of mother Theresa, that is the unfair element of it.

Has Johnny admitted his wrong doings and taken responsibility also? Or is he dragging her through court to clear his name whilst claiming to be a victim of everything and a perpetrator of nothing.

How could she admit to her wrong doings when he clearly had no intention of doing the same hence he took her to court in the first instance.
That only works when both people are willing to accept fault, if one does and the other doesn’t then it can go completely south for the person who was honest.

Back to my original point, they are both awful and they both need therapy, but the ‘you’ve got this Johnny she’s an evil nasty person and you’ve been through so much’ comments all over the YouTube comments are really frustrating me.

He is clearly a very experienced liar, he’s an actor! And a much better one than she is, he also has better legal representation and is generally much more popular. People see through her narcissism but they are refusing to see Johnny’s and that is the issue

[User135644]

@abblie

Why is it so hard for women to accept women physically abuse men 😳

I think what's hard for people to accept is that it's wrong. It's been normalised for a long time, plenty of sitcoms where it's a running joke that the wife slaps the shit out of the man (one example going back to the 70s with Fawlty Towers). It's always been treated as a laugh and it's only starting to change now with cases like this and the Caroline Flack incident.

[Kennykenkencat]

@PinkPlantCase

There are a lot of professional jobs when you can be struck off for committing crimes, not upholding that standards that are expected from a professional or for bringing the name of the profession into disrepute.

I’m and architect and can loose my registration that lets me practise and an architect for the reasons above. I would loose my job especially if their was publicity around it.

I am presuming that being struck off would come after an investigation to prove you had done something that could get you struck off and not on just an allegation.

[Kennykenkencat]

If we are going to cancel anyone who has an allegation of or admitted abuse, where do you stop?

[Theunamedcat]

Once you get out of an abusive relationship your free you don't keep aggressively attacking that person to get a reaction your free she has been in therapy for years doesn't sound like it has helped her at all if she thinks writing things about your ex despite court orders is the thing to do she should have taken her money her dignity and moved the fuck on instead she has been hell bent on destroying him why? He refused to let her live in his penthouse? He wouldn't get back with her? He wouldn't help her with films anymore?

[jamoncrumpets]

I watched her describe him raping her in detail yesterday, it was disturbing to hear. I genuinely don't think anyone could make that up.

[jamoncrumpets]

@Theunamedcat

Once you get out of an abusive relationship your free you don't keep aggressively attacking that person to get a reaction your free she has been in therapy for years doesn't sound like it has helped her at all if she thinks writing things about your ex despite court orders is the thing to do she should have taken her money her dignity and moved the fuck on instead she has been hell bent on destroying him why? He refused to let her live in his penthouse? He wouldn't get back with her? He wouldn't help her with films anymore?

So what do you think of the fact that he has everyone in his circle on his pay roll, including psychiatrists, nurses and doctors, who all report to him and would obviously be biased in a situation like this? She was surrounded by people who refused to see or engage with his abuse because he was paying them to.