Why are there petitions to take Amber Heard down?

[redhoodred1]

Why are people not accepting that they are mutually abusive? Why is everyone acting like Johnny Depp is an innocent victim? Why is it that when Chris Brown BATTERED Rihanna the world forgot real quick and he went back to his world of glamour, babes, money and success?

Why is society soooooo hard on women? Like when a mother goes on holiday it’s ‘oh she left the kids, why isn’t she with the kids?’ Or ‘oh he cheated, probably because she’s such a handful or doesn’t take care of herself anymore,’ or ‘why is she always working, she has kids to take care of.’

Society is tooooo damn hard on women. I’m not by any means claiming that she is innocent, but over two million people have petitioned to have her removed from her movie, people are boycotting the woman, and quite literally acting like Johnny Depp is an absolute saint.

Mutual abuse is real, it is quite possible for two people to both be as bad as eachother :-/

[noborisno]

People have grabbed onto this for a few reasons:

Firstly, the media's telling them to and many people just hold whatever view is pervasive in the corporate press

Secondly, it's this novelty opinion that's popular right now of 'ooh poor men get domestically abused too!!' which they do but this is just a lovely way for them to spout that and feel superior

Thirdly, it's Johnny Depp and men and women want to be him and to be with him and want to laud him

That's about it really. It's easy to cling onto it, oh and memes; there are some really tight memes for these people to share and that's a huge pull.

[noborisno]

Add - Depp on the stand is suave and laid back, he's charming them. He's an actor.

[fossilsmorefossils]

In my opinion Amber Heard was more abusive than Johnny Depp (my opinion, you don't have to agree with me). I also think neither actor should have their work cancelled.

Their acting is their job and they should be able to do that. Their abusive marriage and divorce is their private matter. I t would be idiotic if we'd start cancelling ordinary peoples work because of their private matters (within reason, a peadophile shouldn't work with children for example). It would be absolutely weird if we'd fire any surgeon, secretary or electrician because they had a toxic marriage that brought the worst in them.

We also don't know if Beethoven, Leonardo da Vinci and Julius Ceasar were good spouses and we're not cancelling them.

Michael Jacksons "man in the mirror" still has inspiring lyrics that are worth listening to.

Peoples job/work/art should be valued on it's own.

[MrsTerryPratchett]

Did you see the messages they showed between Depp and his friend, Paul Bettany, about burning her as she's a witch and doing the witch test in his pool?

I didn't think much of Depp or Heard before this but I did like Bettany. I don't now.

[PerfectPenquins]

The accusations of sexual assault that came out yesterday make me sick, so many people could be treating her so apauling because they fancy the bloke in this case. If he's done those things he can rot. He is attractive and widely known and liked. We all know sexual assault victims are rarely believed that's what we are seeing played out here. She was physically abusive and he seems to have sexually abusive. Going by his vile texts I'm inclined to belive he is capable of it.

[GeminiTwin]

@Fleurtjeblau

I've been seeing lots of different opinions all over social media, but the general consensus does, in this case, seem to be that Amber is the villain in this. They're both toxic, for sure. But there's a mountain of proof that Amber has been both physically and emotionally abusive towards Johnny (and towards some of her previous partners) whereas the same hasn't been discovered for Johnny. Yes, it's come out that he's said some awful things, but quite frankly I believe that given the situation, it's understandable and I'm sure many women the world over have said equally disgusting things about their spouse in the midst of physical and emotional abuse.

So yes, I do think "poor Johnny" and "fuck Amber" based on everything I've seen so far. JD has lost jobs because of this, AH should (and deserves to) as well and I don't think that in this case people are being harder on her because she's a woman. They're being harder on her because she's guilty.

100% agree with this.

[PeekAtYou]

Johnny Depp lost Pirates of The Caribbean 2 days after the article had been released. This is just based on AH's allegations and before the UK trial. If that's enough to sack an actor then AH should have been sacked from
Aquaman for the allegations that transpired during the UK trial.

I understand that family friendly brands don't want to be associated with someone who has been accused of domestic abuse but it is mind boggling that the same professional standards haven't been applied to AH. I know that the movie studio has announced that she's in it for less than 10 minutes but that's an argument for a cheap reshoot with a different actress.

L'Oréal USA still have comments disabled on their Twitter feed because of the backlash from having AH as a spokeswoman. Their account went private at one point presumably to scrub the negative comments. People will be watching to see if she's dropped by them too

[Kennykenkencat]

Not really followed in depth but the impression I get is whilst neither were entirely innocent in this relationship. It is JD who hasn’t really had any issues before or after whilst AH has people queueing up to tell the world their experience

As I said I really haven’t been following and have probably missed huge chunks of the trial which makes what I said irrelevant.
I just don’t think we should automatically assume that the guy is in the wrong and the woman can do and say anything.

[Kennykenkencat]

@noborisno

Add - Depp on the stand is suave and laid back, he's charming them. He's an actor.

So is AH

[EmpressSuiko]

Has everyone forgotten Amber heard was also accused of abusing her ex partner?

[redhoodred1]

@EmpressSuiko

Has everyone forgotten Amber heard was also accused of abusing her ex partner?

Allegation really is the key term here.

I am currently being investigated for a spiteful allegation made by my ex partner who was severely abusive for many years. People make allegations all the time, and we are all innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. An allegation is a non starter without a conviction or a caution being signed as an admission of guilt.

in fact, people are even convicted all the time for crimes they didn’t commit.
Situations are also taken out an context. Victims of DV have gone to prison for killing a perpetrator after years and years of severe abuse. There are many examples of why previous allegations cannot be taken at face value.

An allegation means nothing and she shouldn’t be judged on the back of that.

Johnny Depp also seems to have much better legal representation, and as someone stated, he is clearly the better actor and playing the victim sensationally.

I am not saying he is innocent, I am saying that they are both as bad as eachother! However, that is not the narrative being passed around by everyone in the ‘poor Johnny’ Brigade.

[MissMaple82]

How on earth would you know any different though, we're you part of their relationship?!

[PeekAtYou]

Johnny Depp also seems to have much better legal representation, and as someone stated, he is clearly the better actor and playing the victim sensationally.

Totally agree. The legal representation point is very important - all of the SM jokes about her lawyers has encouraged the idea that she doesn't really have a case. Even if she wins I think that the way the legal counsel has been portrayed and will be remembered will mean that she's guilty in a significant proportion of the public's mind.

[Fleurtjeblau]

What about all of the evidence against her? Also her own admission of being physically abusive? In my mind she IS guilty, because of all that.

[Fleurtjeblau]

Also her own lawyer overruled his own question, some of the mocking of her legal team I've seen is justified in a lot of areas!

[redhoodred1]

@MissMaple82

How on earth would you know any different though, we're you part of their relationship?!

We’re you?

[redhoodred1]

@redhoodred1

Allegation really is the key term here.

I am currently being investigated for a spiteful allegation made by my ex partner who was severely abusive for many years. People make allegations all the time, and we are all innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. An allegation is a non starter without a conviction or a caution being signed as an admission of guilt.

in fact, people are even convicted all the time for crimes they didn’t commit.
Situations are also taken out an context. Victims of DV have gone to prison for killing a perpetrator after years and years of severe abuse. There are many examples of why previous allegations cannot be taken at face value.

An allegation means nothing and she shouldn’t be judged on the back of that.

Johnny Depp also seems to have much better legal representation, and as someone stated, he is clearly the better actor and playing the victim sensationally.

I am not saying he is innocent, I am saying that they are both as bad as eachother! However, that is not the narrative being passed around by everyone in the ‘poor Johnny’ Brigade.

Were you? And I never said she isn’t guilty aren’t you listening? I’m saying an allegation doesn’t prove guilt so it’s irrelevant unless she was convicted

[PeekAtYou]

@Fleurtjeblau

What about all of the evidence against her? Also her own admission of being physically abusive? In my mind she IS guilty, because of all that.

Technically the trial is about whether or not JD is an abuser so if she's an abuser and he is too then she wins because she hasn't defamed him.

I wonder if she regrets the article now ?

[PeekAtYou]

@Fleurtjeblau

Also her own lawyer overruled his own question, some of the mocking of her legal team I've seen is justified in a lot of areas!

I couldn't believe that one.
Are there multiple camera in the courtroom or just the one? It's hard to believe how they catch both the details and Amber/Johnny's reactions to this sort of thing.

[Fleurtjeblau]

Peekatyou
I think there are more than one camera, there must be based on the filming! I don't know everything because I haven't watched the goodness knows how many hours of trials, but a lot of the videos I have seen about her legal team have shown them to have plenty of utterly stupid moments, regardless of context. Its certainly a very interesting trial!

[redhoodred1]

@MissMaple82

How on earth would you know any different though, we're you part of their relationship?!

This is such a ridiculous statement on so many levels I don’t even know where to start.

Are you seriously asking me ‘how I would know since I wasn’t there,’ whilst having previously made judgements yourself about a relationship that you were also not witness to?

I literally made a general statement about the idea that an allegation is any indication of guilt on another matter.

Half the world has an opinion, so why am I not entitled to one?

[TheSillyMastiff]

"all's fair in love and war"

He's abusive = career gone and therefore, she is abusive = career gone.

Both deserve to just go away and get years of therapy.

[redhoodred1]

@TheSillyMastiff

"all's fair in love and war"

He's abusive = career gone and therefore, she is abusive = career gone.

Both deserve to just go away and get years of therapy.

Exaclty! This is exactly it! There is no victim in this situation

[Fleurtjeblau]

@redhoodred1

Exaclty! This is exactly it! There is no victim in this situation

I mean the confession from Amber Heardand evidence of her being abusive towards Johnny shows me there is a victim.

[grapewines]

@MargaritaPie

Is it worth pointing out Depp lost all his movie roles before anything at all went to court, based on Amber's words alone.

Now it's been established Amber isn't innocent or honest, she is still being given roles in major movies.

I don't think that fact is sitting well with many.

Yep.