Why are there petitions to take Amber Heard down?

[redhoodred1]

Why are people not accepting that they are mutually abusive? Why is everyone acting like Johnny Depp is an innocent victim? Why is it that when Chris Brown BATTERED Rihanna the world forgot real quick and he went back to his world of glamour, babes, money and success?

Why is society soooooo hard on women? Like when a mother goes on holiday it’s ‘oh she left the kids, why isn’t she with the kids?’ Or ‘oh he cheated, probably because she’s such a handful or doesn’t take care of herself anymore,’ or ‘why is she always working, she has kids to take care of.’

Society is tooooo damn hard on women. I’m not by any means claiming that she is innocent, but over two million people have petitioned to have her removed from her movie, people are boycotting the woman, and quite literally acting like Johnny Depp is an absolute saint.

Mutual abuse is real, it is quite possible for two people to both be as bad as eachother :-/

[redhoodred1]

@jamoncrumpets

So what do you think of the fact that he has everyone in his circle on his pay roll, including psychiatrists, nurses and doctors, who all report to him and would obviously be biased in a situation like this? She was surrounded by people who refused to see or engage with his abuse because he was paying them to.

As soon as I know that an expert witness is being paid copious amounts of money , to me it becomes absolutely ridiculous to think that they are impartial.

[JustAnotherPoster00]

As soon as I know that an expert witness is being paid copious amounts of money , to me it becomes absolutely ridiculous to think that they are impartial.

They should work for free? Have you lost any integrity or moral compass because youve been paid OP?

[Theunamedcat]

She has many paid witnesses of her own

There are photos of her the day after she alleged he split her lip blacked her eyes etc she clearly has no split lip no black eyes (although make up can hide bruises) she has lied and lied and lied again however bad he is she is more than his equal there is something WRONG with her he makes me want to walk away slowly in the opposite direction she makes me feel like I should RUN

[SamphirethePogoingStickerist]

@Tsuni Cage has a long, long history of alcohol problems and alcohol induced incidents.

And Madonna refused to say anything about a number of incidents for which there were medical witnesses.

Oh, and that attempted murder charge!

Sometimes there are any number of reasons for charges not being followed through.

[redhoodred1]

@JustAnotherPoster00

As soon as I know that an expert witness is being paid copious amounts of money , to me it becomes absolutely ridiculous to think that they are impartial.

They should work for free? Have you lost any integrity or moral compass because youve been paid OP?

But they aren’t being paid, they’re being PAID.
Didn’t his expert witness diagnose Amber with BPD? Did she carry out a one to one assessment with her? The psychologist was clearly looking for arguments to bolster Johnny’s case, and as soon as someone starts doing that, they lose all credibility when it comes to being strictly factual.

In what world does a psychologist make a formal diagnoses of someone they have never properly assessed? Based on heresay?

[JustAnotherPoster00]

@redhoodred1

But they aren’t being paid, they’re being PAID.
Didn’t his expert witness diagnose Amber with BPD? Did she carry out a one to one assessment with her? The psychologist was clearly looking for arguments to bolster Johnny’s case, and as soon as someone starts doing that, they lose all credibility when it comes to being strictly factual.

In what world does a psychologist make a formal diagnoses of someone they have never properly assessed? Based on heresay?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/johnny-depp-psychologist-heard-muffins-b2066074.html

Dr Curry took the stand on Tuesday saying that she met with Ms Heard on “two separate dates” as she conducted her evaluation – 10 and 17 December 2021. She said they spent 12 hours together and that “the result of Ms Heard’s evaluation supported two diagnoses – borderline personality disorder and histrionic personality disorder

[MrsTerryPratchett]

People keep saying ‘she’s not acting like a victim, she’s not crying, she’s too confident,’ that doesn’t prove anything there is 6.4 billion people in the world we all behave differently.

I've worked a lot with long-term survivors of abuse. They can be some of the most difficult, hostile and unpleasant people; beset by PDs, MH and addictions, vile to their families and workers and often using threats to get what they want.

They are also survivors who deserve compassion and understanding. Both are true at the same time.

And people keep forgetting that the case isn't about whether SHE'S abusive. It's about whether HE is. And he is. There were different ways to deal with this, he chose the one which meant she had to be dragged through the mud and publicly shamed while he watched.

[Flippanty]

I, by no means want Amber Heard involved in a witch hunt as she clearly has some severe mental health issues and had a very traumatic upbringing. I’m sure living with a misogynistic alcoholic was very triggering for her. In the same way living with an abusive BPD sufferer was triggering to Johnny Depp. But I don’t understand why feminists are supporting her despite there being clear evidence that she has been abusive and lied at every opportunity. What she’s doing is appallingly damaging to victims of domestic and sexual violence. Why are we supporting this? It’s not doing us any favours to give blind support to someone when there’s so much evidence that she has fabricated stories (one of them stolen from an actual survivor of sexual violence) and been physically and emotionally abusive to him.

[tomatoandherbs]

Why is society soooooo hard on women? Like when a mother goes on holiday it’s ‘oh she left the kids, why isn’t she with the kids?

in all likelihood she was the RP and the children were unequivocally her responsibility during the period she upped sticks and went on holiday

[Midlifemusings]

@MrsTerryPratchett

People keep saying ‘she’s not acting like a victim, she’s not crying, she’s too confident,’ that doesn’t prove anything there is 6.4 billion people in the world we all behave differently.

I've worked a lot with long-term survivors of abuse. They can be some of the most difficult, hostile and unpleasant people; beset by PDs, MH and addictions, vile to their families and workers and often using threats to get what they want.

They are also survivors who deserve compassion and understanding. Both are true at the same time.

And people keep forgetting that the case isn't about whether SHE'S abusive. It's about whether HE is. And he is. There were different ways to deal with this, he chose the one which meant she had to be dragged through the mud and publicly shamed while he watched.

What means do you think he had other than legal action to ensure his response and perception was heard by the general public? I hve thought about this and dont' really know what other option there would have been?

Why do you think her efforts to publicly shame him (selling recordings to TMZ, oped piece) are different from his efforts to publicly shame her (taking legal action)?

This legal action shames both of them. It has brought forward even more allegations against him and exposed extensive personal details about his life and actions as well. He isn't a passive party in this.

[redhoodred1]

www.victimfocus.org.uk/predictably-amber-heard-just-got-diagnosed-with-bpd-and-hpd

[redhoodred1]

This article really sums up a lot of my point.

And again, the psychologist was being paid by Johnny Depp, had a totally independent person come in and carried out an assessment then perhaps it would have held more weight in my eyes.

Also, my friend has worked in psychiatry as a doctor for years and she has told me many times that BPD is one of the most looked down up, misunderstood diagnosis in mental health. It seems absolutely perfect that the psychologist standing in defence of Depp would diagnose her with such a demoralised disorder.

[Theunamedcat]

@redhoodred1

But they aren’t being paid, they’re being PAID.
Didn’t his expert witness diagnose Amber with BPD? Did she carry out a one to one assessment with her? The psychologist was clearly looking for arguments to bolster Johnny’s case, and as soon as someone starts doing that, they lose all credibility when it comes to being strictly factual.

In what world does a psychologist make a formal diagnoses of someone they have never properly assessed? Based on heresay?

No she diagnosed her with ptsd based on heresy

[redhoodred1]

news.sky.com/story/amp/depp-v-heard-amber-suffered-from-histrionic-and-borderline-personality-disorders-and-grossly-exaggerated-symptoms-of-ptsd-court-hears-12599802

Please read this! And tell me this woman is totally impartial. She even says she’s not commenting on whether or not Johnny has any mental health issues himself.

[redhoodred1]

@redhoodred1

news.sky.com/story/amp/depp-v-heard-amber-suffered-from-histrionic-and-borderline-personality-disorders-and-grossly-exaggerated-symptoms-of-ptsd-court-hears-12599802

Please read this! And tell me this woman is totally impartial. She even says she’s not commenting on whether or not Johnny has any mental health issues himself.

In absolutely no way is this woman behaving appropriately, and if Amber Heard had any level of decent legal representation they would have eaten her alive on the stand for her comments and actions.

[redhoodred1]

@JustAnotherPoster00

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/johnny-depp-psychologist-heard-muffins-b2066074.html

Dr Curry took the stand on Tuesday saying that she met with Ms Heard on “two separate dates” as she conducted her evaluation – 10 and 17 December 2021. She said they spent 12 hours together and that “the result of Ms Heard’s evaluation supported two diagnoses – borderline personality disorder and histrionic personality disorder

Was this before or after Johnny Depp wrote her a big fat cheque?

[Midlifemusings]

@redhoodred1

Are you suggesting Amber's expert witnesses weren't paid for their assessments and time?

The psychologist Amber's team hired is one they have used before in other cases. If she didn't give the evidence they needed her to give, they wouldn't keep hiring her.

The psychologists only assessed Amber because she introduced into evidence that her mental health conditions played a role. Johnny did not and so they couldn't assess him.

[redhoodred1]

@Midlifemusings

@redhoodred1

Are you suggesting Amber's expert witnesses weren't paid for their assessments and time?

The psychologist Amber's team hired is one they have used before in other cases. If she didn't give the evidence they needed her to give, they wouldn't keep hiring her.

The psychologists only assessed Amber because she introduced into evidence that her mental health conditions played a role. Johnny did not and so they couldn't assess him.

news.sky.com/story/amp/depp-v-heard-amber-suffered-from-histrionic-and-borderline-personality-disorders-and-grossly-exaggerated-symptoms-of-ptsd-court-hears-12599802

Drinks and dinner at Johnny’s house anyone? Or should we wait until after i’ve testified in court on your behalf as an impartial, unbiased, professional witness?

www.victimfocus.org.uk/predictably-amber-heard-just-got-diagnosed-with-bpd-and-hpd

[Fishwishy]

@Neverreturntoathread

He ruined his career.

No one should be taken out of their workplace for problems in their personal life. I’m sick of women’s careers being attacked. If she’s committed a crime, tell the police, if she’s done libel, sue her. Leave her job alone.

Are we sure about this? He was cancelled. You see countless times on here men being requested that they be cancelled for various misdemeanours, people don't say leave it to the courts or police. It's how this modern cancel culture works.

[JustAnotherPoster00]

So what youre saying OP is that AH 'evidence' and testimony is so weak that you think trying to discredit witnesses is the way to go, more of a hit than a punch kind of thing?

[CourageCalls2Courage]

I was under the impression JD was cancelled from his last film as he had been charged with assaulting a crew member.

[Theunamedcat]

@redhoodred1

news.sky.com/story/amp/depp-v-heard-amber-suffered-from-histrionic-and-borderline-personality-disorders-and-grossly-exaggerated-symptoms-of-ptsd-court-hears-12599802

Please read this! And tell me this woman is totally impartial. She even says she’s not commenting on whether or not Johnny has any mental health issues himself.

Because that isn't being claimed by anyone she did not assess him at all Because that wasn't her job it would be improper for her to comment

And yes she was interviewed over dinner by him and his legal team which is common in America if your famous that's literally how you do things

[SickAndTiredAgain]

@redhoodred1

news.sky.com/story/amp/depp-v-heard-amber-suffered-from-histrionic-and-borderline-personality-disorders-and-grossly-exaggerated-symptoms-of-ptsd-court-hears-12599802

Please read this! And tell me this woman is totally impartial. She even says she’s not commenting on whether or not Johnny has any mental health issues himself.

I think this is a general issue with paid expert witnesses rather than anything specific to this case. Of course any legal team is going to pay the expert witness who says what they need them to, rather than one that doesn't - no one calls witnesses that don't support their argument. And of course she isn't commenting on Depp, she wasn't hired for that purpose.

I'm not saying it's fair, but it's not like anything unprecedented is happening. Heard's witnesses will be the same.

[redhoodred1]

@JustAnotherPoster00

So what youre saying OP is that AH 'evidence' and testimony is so weak that you think trying to discredit witnesses is the way to go, more of a hit than a punch kind of thing?

Do you think that a highly paid witness is ever a totally credible witness? I don’t understand why the court doesn’t hire an independent person to carry out these assessments.

And no one is saying Amber is innocent, I’ve said time and time and time again that she isn’t, my issue is that neither is he but he has managed to encourage extreme support and sympathy from the public. He is a narcissist, so is she, why can’t we all just accept that and send them both to therapy?

[Xenia]

The expert witness in the UK is sometimes these days a joint expert. Even if you each have one (whch is stll common) they have duties to the court and they would not be hired again if they did not follow the complex rules.

All Amber H has to show is that i the one sentence when she said she was a victim of domestic abuse that she was. Whether she is also a liar or also mentally ill is not particularly relevant and in my view even without her evidence the recordings alone show Johnny D is abusive on lots of occasions. Yet 99.9% of the internet seems to think Johnny D should win his libel case (he already lost in London).

He does seem a bit to me like those kind of stalker men who just will not give up - they are like a dog with a bone and go on and on and on want more and more bites at the cherry as the thi8ng they want most is more and more attention. he has the money to pay lawyers to get all this attention from his ex wife.