Amy Winehouse and Karen Carpenter

[Youshouldbestrongerthanme]

Both absolute legends.
AIBU to wish I followed the same path?
At 45 I'm past it.

Romanticising early death is sick, imo. I'm older than you are and don't feel ready to die, much less envious of anyone who died young. I don't expect menopause will change that, either. What an odd thing to say! Do you not know anyone older than you who still loves life? I've known people in their 80s who were still thankful for every new day they saw. You don't have to be young, beautiful, wealthy, or talented to find joy and value in life.

@XenoBitch I don't want help but thank you.

It's not what either of them did. So it's irrelevant.

@CakeMeHomeIveSeenEnough Menopause will change a lot, but I can imagine with family and friends it's do-able.

Romanticising the early deaths of desperately unhappy women is a cunt’s move.

HTH.

Totally agree. Karen Carpenter’s voice was simply beautiful by any standard. Amy Winehouse? Well I’m still amazed she has such a following, she is a tribute pub act who affected a fake husky voice by copying the sound of the records her dad listened to and just got lucky.

Then what is the real point of this thread?

I used to feel the same OP. Actually still do but I realised there's no getting off the ride (at least not easily) so am stuck with it. Now I'm just a decade along and wasted most of it thinking I wouldn't be here by now so it wouldn't matter. I get how you feel though

@XenoBitch Getting help isn't going to magically give me genuine friends and family unfortunately. Perhaps this is what Amy and Karen were also lacking?

They weren’t exactly good role models though were they? One with an eating disorder and one with drink and drug addictions. It’s like putting Princess Diana on a saintly pedestal, she soon looks a bit wobbly.

Give me Raye every time.

@viques Quite likely due to trauma. Not their fault.

Not sure Karen Carpenter had a reckless lifestyle, she had an eating disorder. She was phenomenally talented.

Ridiculous!!

I didn’t say it was, I just said they aren’t good role models, and turning people with serious issues into idols is a dangerous precedent.

You can be surrounded by friends and loved ones but still feel alone . All the money and riches count for nothing

Hey @Youshouldbestrongerthanme you sound like you’re struggling at the moment. I wonder if speaking to someone in real life might be helpful? There’s always someone for you to talk to at the Samaritans on 116 123.

But neither wanted to die. Karen was sick and didnt get help and couldnt help herself. And amys body was weak from the drugs and been sober binged and died. Neither was on purpose or when it should have happened.

Is she still performing? I go a lot to classical and opera. Wonder if i have seen her?

45 isn't young- it's well past my best before / usefulness date!

Probably best not say that to Trump or any of his supporters

I don’t get the hysteria over Winehouse, but Karen Carpenter is still a big loss to the music world. Her voice was a dream.

If you want to make music, do it! Get yourself out there on social media, do what you love.

@Dollymylove Oh I agree - embarrassing I don't even own my own home! I do work btw, but it's not well paid. I teach children who can't access mainstream education due to many different reasons. Love my job but most people could do it so it's not exactly a skill. Need to make more £!

@Youshouldbestrongerthanme Trump became president at 70, who only knows what you could achieve in the next 25 years !

@Itsthedramamick These guys are incredible. But I doubt of use now.

To be fair, neither of thrm had " natural " voices,both sang in falsetto.
I loved Karen's voice but really didn't like Amy's which seemed very strained.
Worth remembering that Susan Dhoyle, was about 47 when she was on BGT.
Have you thought about working part time in pubs and working mens clubs? I've seen some amazing talent and such absolutely dire acts.
You should try it, you dont need a lot of kit and most places have their own PA so you just need to hook up your mixer and mic.

@Dymaxion Yes.amd look what a total dick he is!!!