Amy Winehouse and Karen Carpenter

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Both absolute legends.
AIBU to wish I followed the same path?
At 45 I'm past it.

@XenoBitch I'm 45! It's obvious!!

I am the same age. Shall we just lay down our arms and give up?
What an awful way to view things.

@XenoBitch I've got naff all. Hopefully not the same for you 🙏

This is most wrong statement ive ever read

she was a musical genius

Both enormously talented, but sadly very damaged women. I personally prefer to be mundane and untalented but reasonably healthy; all their talent, success and the money they made couldn't, ultimately, make them happy or give them the power to overcome damaging addiction or mental illness.

You probably have a better life than either of them. They were destroyed on the inside. Drugs and anorexia destroy people from the inside long before they die.

@MrsHaroldWilson Indeed. If I had money (my own) I think I'd be good ❤️

I was going to say the same. They definitely were not in their prime when they died. Amy in particular was pretty much just getting started. She could have had another several decades of making music if she wanted

I have got naff all. Unable to work and on benefits. No talents whatsoever. I try and make my life worth living in other ways.

Comparing yourself to very talented, but damaged, women is not healthy.

@BiscoffCheesecakes I suppose I mean age-wise.

@XenoBitch Sorry to hear that. You got family? Own home? 🙏

I don’t think it was a choice . I certainly wouldn’t risk drug addiction or anorexia on anyone .

@TheIceBear Amy didn't die of drug addiction.

Gosh i don't think its self inflicted - neither asked to be in the traumatic family environments that left then with problems (different for richard being male). Not a choice at all

i think about both of them, lots of cultural refs out there still

gosh britney spears could have been anyone, not so with amy and karen - female drummers are very rare

Gosh what is that poster on about, neither chose to die

@Jellytotsapplepie Agree. Their MH struggles came about due to circumstances completely out of their control.

Yes she was. Awful whiney voice and that godawful song Valerie. 😖
Karen Carpenter on the other hand was and will always be a legend. Beautiful voice, beautiful soul. No comparison between her and Amy Whinehouse. None whatsoever!

I disagree

sadly its what happened to Amy emotionally that enabled her to write and record one of best albums of all time - certainly prime of creative talent

She died from alcohol poisoning. Her body was already weakened due to that.
Same with Karen... she died due to complications of anorexia. She collapsed at home. Her heart just gave up.

Neither chose their deaths.

@Jellytotsapplepie Wasn't it? At least partially? Not all people with significant MH issues die young. Why is that do you think?

Id argue Amy was better in some respects

dont know what you two on about

Amy died because her body wasnt up to it when she had alcohol again

karen heart failure

i don’t think anyone choses trauma - there is a big correlation between addiction and childhood trauma/sexual abuse

Similarly, a family member was a sportsman who was killed at 26 doing the sport he loved.
There's nothing heroic about it. Ended his talent; put many of us into a life of therapy being required. Quickened the death and ill health of a number of older relatives.
"Live fast and die young" - yes. But he did not have a good looking corpse (because it had to be pieced together).

Alcohol is a drug. It's a socially-acceptable drug, but it's still a drug. It's also one of the few drugs that can not only kill you from having too much, it can also kill you from withdrawal (although this wasn't what killed Winehouse).

As many people with substance abuse problems do, she got clean and then relapsed. During that relapse she neglected the fact that she didn't have the tolerance that she'd previously built up and so the relapse killed her. It's an absolute tragedy but at the same time it was a direct consequence of her substance abuse problem.

Sia was 38 when Chandelier came out. Thats why they always had her in the face covering wig. Which is shit, but it meant people actually heard and took her music seriously and saw behind her age.

What is your dream OP? Is it singing or performing or something else?