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Everyone thinks I have PND, I think I just hate being a Mum

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someonecallthethoughtpolice · 11/06/2019 20:23

Have name changed for obvious reasons. This will be long, sorry. But I think I need to get it out.

I have 2 DC, a 5 year old and a 7 month old baby. I was diagnosed with PND when baby was a couple of weeks old and have recently started seeing a Psychologist having been on a waiting list for a few months.

I love my children and there is nothing I wouldn't do for them. Everything I do is for them. I am entirely motivated to make sure they are happy and very well cared for. But I shouldn't have had them.

If I could go back in time and warn my pre-child self I would. I would tell her that if she has a baby it will be a relentless, thankless slog. Then just as it starts to get easier and she starts to get some semblance of a life back she will end up giving into societal pressure and her DC's constant begging for a sibling and start the whole nightmare all over again, later kicking herself for adding years onto what feels like a self-imposed prison sentence.

I really do love my children. But I don't enjoy parenting them. I find it stressful and boring in equal measure. The relentlessness. The repetition. The lack of freedom and spontaneity. The sleepless nights. The awkwardness of trying to force friendships with women I have nothing in common with because our DC's happen to play together at breaktime. Weekends lost to homework projects, swimming lessons and children's birthday parties. Sitting in a circle with a group of strangers singing "Wind the Bobbin Up" to largely oblivious babies and pretending we don't all feel completely fucking ridiculous. The illness, the mess, the tears and tantrums, the guilt and the worry that however much you do with them and for them it's never quite enough. I hate it all.

I want to be able to eat, shower and shit when I want without interruptions. To leave the house when I want. To sleep all night. To have the time to pursue interests and hobbies. To have the energy to have sex with my DH. To be able to consider career options based on what I actually want, not what will "work around the kids".
I want to be free. I often fantasise about running away and starting a new life in a place where no one knows me. Of course I knew it would be hard, I knew there would be sacrifice. But everyone always tells you "it's worth it". And I believed them.

Of course there are things, moments really, that I like about being a Mum. DD is so clever, she makes me laugh and I love how kind she is to her baby brother and her inquisitive mind. I love the smell of my baby's head, I enjoy making him chuckle and reading him stories. But it's not enough to balance out all the drudgery, sacrifice and above all, the loss of freedom. It doesn't feel worth it. I know it should, but it doesn't.

I feel like I've lost myself completely. I feel like I've taken a wrong turn somewhere and wandered into the 'wrong' life. But I have no right to feel that way because apparently it's the life I chose. So now I'm exhausted, not just from having a baby who won't sleep, but from having to enthusiastically play a character 24/7.

Before everyone piles in to tell me what a terrible person I am and that my DC deserve better, I know. I know I'm lucky and I should just be grateful to have two beautiful, healthy DC. I have a loving, supportive DH. I like my job. I have family close by. I know I have it easier than lots of Mums do. I know that it's not natural or acceptable to feel the way that I do.

I'm deeply ashamed of these thoughts and will spend my life doing everything in my power to make sure that my DC's don't suspect I have them. That's why I've never voiced any of this to anyone IRL, until today when I finally cracked and confessed all to my Psychologist. I told her that I feel guilty taking up her time, taking away a space from someone who is genuinely ill. Because I disagree with my GP, my Health Visitor who referred me to her, and those questionaires they make you do. I'm not depressed. I feel depressed but that's because I don't like my life.

Her response was "I think we should consider antidepressants". I felt like she wasn't hearing me. Or she didn't want to.

I desperately wanted to be a Mum but now that I am, it turns out I don't like it. How is that a mental illness? It's regret, not depression, surely? Yes, I do feel distressed, but so much of that is guilt because I know I'm not supposed to feel this way. And yes, I feel hopeless but that's because I have to live everyday in the knowledge that I've gotten myself into a mess that there is literally no getting out of. But apparently it's not possible to think that, on balance, having your children was probably a mistake unless you're suffering from a mental illness that requires medication.

So am I right in thinking there's no point in carrying on with these therapy sessions when my therapist and I disagree about the situation and from my point of view, there is nothing that can actually be done to change it?

If you actually managed to get through all that, thank you.

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puppymouse · 13/06/2019 19:40

@someonecallthethoughtpolice all that is normal in my world. Smile

Postmanbear · 13/06/2019 21:10

This thread is really interesting. I am currently seeing a counsellor who thinks I have PND but I am not sure if my low moods etc are a normal response to the fact that my life is a bit shit right now. With a 7 month old who doesn’t sleep and a very active 2 year old I spend all day long feeding, cleaning, changing nappies, carrying them around, hanging around parks bored senseless. I frequently cry when my DH leaves for work as I know I’ve got a long long boring day ahead of me. This second maternity leave has been so much harder than the first.
The counselling is helping me though because as someone said upthread we are talking about my guilt and the pressure I put on myself.
I have noticed that when I have been to stay with my parents or on my KIT days I don’t feel down so I think a lot of it is loneliness.
Back to work in 3 weeks, can’t wait!!

someonecallthethoughtpolice · 13/06/2019 21:16

Back to work in 3 weeks, can’t wait!!

I'll be going back around the same time, let me know how you get on! I'm hopeful that it will make me feel a bit more like 'me' again and that I might enjoy my time with the kids more. We'll see.

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BertieBotts · 13/06/2019 21:19

Quite a few on the thread have mentioned anti-depressants - would any of you care to share which ones worked for you?

This isn't likely to help - sorry to be a pain - but you have to get the ones which are right for your brain chemistry at the right dosage. It's a bit trial and error essentially, and ideally you need a psychiatrist supervising you and adult contact every day so that you can properly assess how it is going, which I hear doesn't often happen on the NHS. But hearing how other people got on won't be of any use. They aren't like nappies, it's just chemicals reacting with chemicals so it's down to the individual brain essentially.

OP don't worry about feeling you're not ready to have him back. When DS1 was 4 I left him with his aunty for four days and it was the longest I'd ever been away from him (and only the second time ever he had stayed overnight anywhere) and I just remember my overwhelming feeling on the plane back was not "I've missed him so much" but "I'm not ready to go back to it yet".

The next time we had a longish separation he was 7, he went away for a week on a camp thing. I asked DH guiltily if I was a terrible mother because I didn't miss him, I just felt relief.

I think we just feel this way when we don't get enough space and time to ourselves.

someonecallthethoughtpolice · 13/06/2019 21:28

In other news I've decided to join a local book group. I used to read all the time but since DC1 I've completely gotten out of the habit. I'm hoping that not only will this get me out of the house thinking and talking about something other than the kids, but it will motivate me to rediscover my love of books again. Fingers crossed.

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gotmychocolateimgood · 13/06/2019 21:42

I think you've had some good advice here. Activities wise, think about what you enjoy doing with the DCs. Eg I liked structured classes, swimming, crafts. DH hated all those and loved being outside in all weathers with them. We both liked eating out as a family, visiting extended family and going to farm parks etc. So during the week I did the activities I enjoyed when he was at work, at weekends we spent most of the time all together but sometimes he took them both to a country park so I could relax at home on my own, or sometimes I'd take them swimming so he could chill.

I think playing to your strengths and preferences is key. A 7mo can be taken to loads of places that aren't baby groups. Mine loved sitting in a cafe highchair squashing food around, while I ate cake with a friend. Walks, feeding ducks, bus ride to town, library, etc are all as valuable as baby groups.

I only accept party invitations if I can bear them (made the mistake of accepting one to a soft play party recently--never again!) and if the arrangements fit in with our weekend. If not I decline politely with plenty of notice.

You will survive OP, it's so tough at this stage but be kind to yourself and ask for help if you need it. Can Granny babysit for a few hours so you can have a nap and takeaway with DH? Flowers

gotmychocolateimgood · 13/06/2019 21:43

Book group sounds great!

Underworld345 · 13/06/2019 21:44

Love this thread. You sound lovely OP. Being a mum is hard.

I often feel like I don’t have time to myself. I fall out over DH over it. He says why don’t you just go upstairs or out for a few hours. Then I think why don’t I? Me having no time to myself is actually my choice. I just feel guilty when I do. Guilty about wanting to spend a few hours away from my DS.

We need to get over that guilt and just find times for ourselves! Sound like you have started making the right steps in letting your DM look after DC.

Apparentlychilled · 13/06/2019 21:49

My eldest is 10 and I relate 100%. It does get easier once they sleep. But I still remebwrbhownangrybi felt at how much my life changed when we had our eldest while DH got to merrily fuck off to work every day. As you say, wide the sodding bobbin up. I have to remind myself that I'm doing this my way. That before I had children, work was v important to me. And that's still true, which doesn't mean I don't love them. It just means I'm not suited to be a SAHM.

TeachesOfPeaches · 13/06/2019 21:53

I didn't do baby groups and ran back to work when my son was 8 months - he is 3 now and pure joy. Some of us just aren't cut out for the baby stage. Babies are boring!

gotmychocolateimgood · 13/06/2019 22:21

Just to add, my DCs are 8 and 5 now. To give an example of how I've simplified stuff to benefit us all (used to be a perfectionist which wasn't ideal) : They don't do any extra curricular clubs as they don't enjoy them and prefer to come home / go to the childminder after school. Some of their friends have clubs every night and their parents are charging around driving them to places or arranging complicated lift shares. We decided to make life simple. They do one club each at the weekend (Rugby has finished now as it's seasonal though). Both are doing well at school, are physically fit and have loads of friends so it hasn't done them any harm. Making life easier for all of you and making smart choices really helps in the parenting game.

AllTheWhoresOfMalta · 13/06/2019 22:22

Legitimate feelings OP. Even those of us who haven’t felt like this all the time have felt like it some of the time. Two is hard. One is a hobby, two is an actual job.

Haven’t RTFT but could you afford some kind of sleep consultant for your baby? That could be money well invested.

puppymouse · 13/06/2019 23:06

Book club sounds fab Brew

MumUndone · 14/06/2019 09:16

I felt exactly the same after I had DS1 and like you, felt incredibly guilty. I did end up taking ADs, but had taken them previously so it wasn't such a leap IYSWIM.

I completely agree that depression can be situational, a lot of the time it is exactly that! Parenting is a hard slog, and if you don't enjoy it, and feel like crap, that doesn't mean you have PND.

I think I've come to terms with the fact that I don't enjoy being a parent. But I enjoy having a family, and doing things as a family.

I now have DS2, same age gap as yours, and what has helped immensely is not trying to be perfect, not bothering with baby groups, accepting all help offered.

All the best OP.

FrankT · 14/06/2019 10:09

How are you today OP?
It's my last official day of maternity leave today, so looking forward to getting back.

camperjam · 14/06/2019 12:45

Thank you for starting this post. I read it in tears, it feels like you reached into my mind and wrote my thoughts out.
I'm clinging on to the hope that it will get better when my 3 and 2 year olds get better

someonecallthethoughtpolice · 14/06/2019 14:13

Frank congrats on surviving your mat leave!! Flowers I hope you have a great first day back tomorrow, please let us know how it goes Smile

Honestly, I'm throwing myself a bit of a pity party today. Have been very low and tearful all day. I only got about 2 hours sleep last night as baby is really struggling with teething. DH is away, not his choice but I'm still so.fucking.jealous! Consequently I was tired and impatient and snapped at my 5yo this morning on the way to school and felt really bad about it afterwards. She was just being a typical 5yo, it's not her fault. Everything just feels like such a slog. I know that this is at least partly the sleep deprivation talking though, I've actually been feeling more positive about everything the last couple of days but last night just set me back a bit I suppose.

Fingers crossed tomorrow will be better.

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someonecallthethoughtpolice · 14/06/2019 14:14

camper Flowers

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velveteenwabbit · 14/06/2019 18:20

Thank you OP, like someone else said up thread it feels like you've reached into my mind and written exactly how I feel. Exactly.

I was desperate for children after struggling to conceive. I was so happy when I was pregnant. I got home with DD and thought "what have I done?" I always loved her but I had no idea how relentless it would be and how my life would change the instant I had her.

She's now five months and I'm starting to feel a bit less trapped however my life is still shit compared to what it was. I struggle with no freedom, no sleep, no free time at all. When I get free time I know there's and end to it so it's not like I can properly switch off.

I have a supportive DH but I'm still doing 90% of the grunt work, I just wish I lived closer to my family to get some more help. It helps hugely to read what everyone says on this thread, hugely. I think the problem is the expectations on women, they're so unrealistic. I was driven mad with people saying to me "oh this is the most wonderful time of your life!" And I was thinking "actually it's the worst."

I have basically consigned myself to getting through the first year with as much help as possible and I'm not going to feel guilty about needing breaks. I think once the sleep improves then hopefully everything else will start falling into place.

Thanks to everyone on this thread, really, you're all doing an amazing job.

If anyone reading this has older children can you tell me when it stopped being such a slog for you, and when you got your life back?

millionaireshortie · 16/06/2019 21:15

How are you getting on OP? Have you made any changes?

someonecallthethoughtpolice · 17/06/2019 13:50

I'm not doing too bad, millionaire, thank you for asking. Good days and bad days. Baby is still really suffering with his teeth so not sleeping well and DH is under a lot of pressure at work with a major deadline looming so we're both tired and grumpy. Trying very hard not to fall into the 'competitive tiredness' trap and I keep reminding myself that we went through the same with DD and she now goes to bed at 7pm consistently with no fuss and sleeps all night so it's not forever.

Following the advice from of all the wonderful, wonderful women on this thread I have completely fucked off the baby groups (yay!), have taken my Mum up on her offer to have baby one night a week so I can sleep and have my first Bookgroup meet up next week. A bit nervous about that last one but I'm sure I'll enjoy it once I'm there and it has forced me to make time to read again. I'm feeling quite positive today as I just found out one of my best friends who moved to the other side of the world a year ago is coming back to the UK for a few days soon. This is a big deal for me as I really miss her. So DH and I have agreed he's going to have the kids and I'm going to spend a whole day with her, we'll go for lunch, a nice walk somewhere, maybe a few drinks. She'll want to see the DC obviously so she'll come back to ours for dinner and stay over but I'm so looking forward to being able to catch up properly first.

I've also decided to apply for a new job. I do really enjoy my current one and I'm very fond of some of my colleagues. But I'm overqualified for it. I know I'm capable of more and it's always felt like a bit of a compromise that I've stuck with partly because it's very 'family friendly' and partly because having my first DC seemed to completely erode my ambition for a long time. Anyway, I saw a vacancy yesterday that would be perfect for me, it's basically my ideal job and while it might require some changes to our usual family routine, it's doable. DH is on board and has assured me that if I get it we'll make it work. So now I just need to try to ignore the little voice in my head telling me I'm not good enough and will probably make a complete tit of myself if I'm lucky enough to get an interview. I used to be such a confident person before I had the DC. I'd really like to get some of that back.

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someonecallthethoughtpolice · 17/06/2019 14:19

FrankT how are you getting on with being back at work? I hope you've had time to enjoy the odd Brew

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LadyFatboobs · 17/06/2019 14:31

Oh gosh @someonecallthethoughtpolice this is an amazing update; please let us know how you get on re job x

1Bobbinwinder · 17/06/2019 14:45

This is great stuff. I'm really happy for you. That's the thing I miss most pre-kids...long walks!

LaPufalina · 17/06/2019 15:16

What a great thread. OP, you express yourself so well, and one PP I think anyone that knows me well will think it's me writing it, so many of us in the same situation. I'm going back to work in eight weeks and I'm not dreading anything apart from logistics of two at nursery! I have a 2yo and a 9mo.

Like another PP, I've taken on a horse (a loan) and get to ride her once a week at least, I come back buzzing from that. My DH has given up one of his weekend hobby sessions to facilitate my going as he sees the benefit to my mental health. I've been running with the double buggy too and that helps clear my head and gets me places quicker than walking (albeit sweatier!).
It's so nice to know others feel the same and are out the other side.