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DH ignoring my breakdown

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Haywirefire · 31/03/2017 09:34

I don't know what to do or who to turn to. My DH has been ignoring the fact that I'm currently finding life impossible to cope with. I have a full time job, a long commute and three small kids. He works shifts at weekends so I do all the childcare then. My job is very stressful and on top of all of this I've got anemia. I'm exhausted and I'm getting to the point that I can't cope. I'm constantly anxious, I have insomnia and zero patience with anyone. I keep trying to start conversations with him telling him that I'm not coping with my anxiety or that I can't cope with the kids and he just changes the subject. Or worse he wades in with 'yeah I'm tired too'. I feel like I really don't matter to him. I would love to leave him, but im trapped by a massive mortgage and I wouldn't want to put the kids through a divorce. There are days where I feel like taking my own life is the only way out. I'm currently having counselling but all it is doing is highlighting to me that I have very few options, which is just making me feel more despondent. What can I do?

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Offred · 31/03/2017 18:57

People aren't bothered whether you moan or not. What people are concerned about it the way you speak about yourself (and then expect others to treat you well), the ideas you have re your relationship and how your feelings are manifesting in your relationship and your resolute refusal to actually take any kind of action that might really help.

If you speak this way to people they are going to view you as obstructive and be tempted to aggressively try to force things on you rather than listen with compassion and give you respectful support.

Haywirefire · 31/03/2017 18:58

Life with three kids is three times the work of one child.

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MichaelSheensNextDW · 31/03/2017 19:02

OP have you heard of cognitive disortions? They are disordered ways of thinking typical of depressive conditions. Some seem to resolve spontaneously with antidepressants, others are addressed via CBT. I recognise many in your posts.

It can help when trying to recognise your own cognitive distortions if you are aware of what some of the most common ones can look like. Here are ten of the most common thought distortions you might have experienced:

  1. Mental Filter
Mental filtering is when we focus exclusively on the most negative and upsetting features of a situation, filtering out all of the more positive aspects.

Example: You undertake a presentation at work which is complimented and praised by ninety-five percent of the team - but you dwell and focus on the five percent of feedback that you could have done a slightly better job. This leaves you convinced you didn't do well enough and not only don't you recognise and enjoy the praise being offered but you decide not to participate in future events.

  1. Disqualifying the Positive
Disqualifying the positive is when we continually discount and dismiss the positive experiences we encounter, by deciding they are unimportant or 'don't count'.

Example: A friend compliments you on a dinner you made, but you decide that “they are just saying that to be nice” or “they are trying to get something out of me”.

  1. 'All or Nothing' Thinking
'All or nothing' thinking is when we see things purely in 'black or white'. These types of thoughts are characterised by terms such as or 'every', 'always', or 'never' . Everything is seen as good or bad or a success or failure. It is generally the negative perspective that is endorsed, discounting all the shades of grey that lie in between the two focussed on choices.

Example: If you get eighty per cent on a test, you feel like a failure that you didn't get a perfect score.

  1. Overgeneralisation
Thinking in an over-generalising way means we will often see a single unpleasant incident or event as evidence of everything being awful and negative, and a sign that now everything will go wrong.

Example: If you fail to get a job you interview for, you decide you are never going to get a job. Or you might go on one unsuccessful date and that is it, you decide you are never going to find a partner.

  1. Jumping to Conclusions
An individual who ‘jumps to conclusions’ will often make a negative interpretation or prediction even though there is no evidence to support their conclusion. This type of thinking is often made when thinking about how others feel towards us. It can show up as either 'mind reading' (assuming the thoughts and intentions of others) or 'fortune-telling' (anticipating the worse ad taking it as fact).

Example: You are at a party and you don't like what you are wearing and you decide 'everyone is laughing at me' (mind reading). Or you are going to take your drivers test and 'know' that you are going to fail (fortune-telling).

  1. Magnifying or Minimising (also referred to as “Catastrophisation”)
Thinking in a magnifying or minimising manner is when we exaggerate the importance of negative events and minimize or downplay the importance of positive events. In depressed individuals, it is often the positive characteristics of other people that are exaggerated and the negatives that are understated (and then when thinking of oneself, this is reversed). When we think catastrophically we are unable to see any other outcome other than the worse one, however unlikely this result may turn out to be.

Example: You send out the wrong letter to a client at work, and this turns into “I will now lose my job, and then I won’t be able to pay my bills, and then I will lose my house.”

  1. Personalisation
A person engaging in personalisation will automatically assume responsibility and blame for negative events that are not under their control. This is also called 'the mother of guilt' because of the feelings of guilt, shame, and inadequacy it leads to.

Example: You feel it's all your fault that your dog injured his foot even though you weren't at home when it happened but were out shopping. Your thoughts might be 'if only I didn't go out' or even 'maybe when I came home I accidentally stepped on the dog and hurt him' even though this is entirely unrealistic.

  1. Shoulds and Oughts
Individuals thinking in 'shoulds', ‘oughts; or 'musts' have an ironclad view of how they and others ‘should’ and ‘ought’ to be. These rigid views or rules can generate feels of anger, frustration, resentment, disappointment and guilt if not followed.

Example: You don't like playing tennis but take lessons as you feel you 'should', and that you 'shouldn't' make so many mistakes on the court, and that your coach 'ought to' be stricter on you. You also feel that you 'must' please him by trying harder.

  1. Emotional Reasoning
Emotional reasoning is when we assume feelings reflect fact, regardless of the evidence. The idea here is “I feel it, therefore it must be true”. Such thinking can lead to self-fulfilling prophecies whereby our thoughts can end up eliciting the very behaviour we predicted, just because we changed our behaviour in accordance with that thought.

For example, if you think “I feel ugly and stupid, so then I must actually be ugly and stupid” you might then stop buying yourself new clothes and start doing poorly at the course you are taking at university, even though you look fine and were doing very well at school.

  1. Labelling Labelling is an extreme form of 'all or nothing' thinking and overgeneralisation. Rather than describing a specific behaviour, an individual instead assigns a negative and highly emotive label to themselves or others that leaves no room for change.

Example: You make a mistake on a form you filled out and it's sent back to you in the post. So you decide “I'm such a loser” or “I'm so stupid” rather than thinking “I made a mistake as I had a busy day when I was filling this out”.

Source: www.harleytherapy.co.uk/cognitive-distortions-cbt.htm#ixzz4cvZBXBwT

OnceMoreIntoTheBleach · 31/03/2017 19:02

I was in a total mess. A big fat downward spiral. My GP gave me diazepam and mirtazipine as first port of call, as in his words, when he saw me I was far too ill to even talk about counselling or any other kind of help, I just wouldn't have been able to respond to it. I took it and felt better in a week. Not fixed, but able to take on board the other help out there. And then it was onwards and upwards. Not there yet but without some medicine I would hate to think where I would have ended up. Probably in hospital.

Don't underestimate how much your brain can change when you are ill. And you do sound unwell, OP. You sound like you're not thinking straight. You do need to find a way to reset yourself. You OH can't do that for you.

Offred · 31/03/2017 19:03

I mean if you go to get advice about divorce with this kind of attitude you will get a really acrimonious and adversarial divorce - how will you cope with that?

If you end up going to the gp all fired up about big pharma but explaining all you have on this thread they are going to be really convinced you need medication as with this thread - you will make your own biases be confirmed?

Your husband does sound like he has been really selfish and unsupportive but if you expect him to be psychic, shout and break things what do you think will happen?

Funnyonion17 · 31/03/2017 19:04

Why is everyone forcing medication like it's a wonder pill. I tried so many and tbh one even made me worse, racing thoughts, insomnia, shaking and being sick, zero appetite. I'd get my anxiety under control and thought yea i will brave medication now for the last leg of it. I can appreciate it can help many, it did wonders for my DH. But let's not force it down the ops throat like it's the only answer. That was done to me and it's truly devastating when even that does sod all.

Firstly op do you have a past trauma etc? As if not then you might want to look into better therapies. Acceptance and commitment therapy is good for anxiety, mindfulness, CBT is useful. Can you put your resources towards a method that gives you hope rather then one that makes u feel shit. Counseling is pretty basic and not always helpful.

Haywirefire · 31/03/2017 19:04

The position I'm in is that I'm trying to draw some conclusions from what I've read today. Most people think my husband is right in his attitude to not offer me any help to feel in control of my life. Some people think my life sounds very strsssful. Others think it sounds like normal life. Some of you think I'm chosing to be miserable. All of you think I should be on medication and that my GP has all the answers. Is that about right?

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Offred · 31/03/2017 19:07

No-one is trying to force the op to take medication. People are saying that it isn't helpful or responsible to refuse to even hear it being suggested.

ATailofTwoKitties · 31/03/2017 19:10

Are you reading the actual thread, Haywire? Really reading it?

Haywirefire · 31/03/2017 19:12

In reading around all the suggestions of pills ...

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LonginesPrime · 31/03/2017 19:12

I think you're still doing all of the stuff you're finding difficult and that therefore, no-one around you (including your husband) actually realises the extent of your despair.

I think because you're just saying you can't cope (to him, at least) but then still doing the washing at midnight, going to work, buying the kids shoes, etc, he has no idea that you're actually approaching breaking point.

If I were you, I'd sack off some of the non-essential things like dinner parties and stop putting so much pressure on yourself to keep up this image of everything being perfect. As long as you are coping, people will think that you can cope and won't know any different until you snap one day.

OnceMoreIntoTheBleach · 31/03/2017 19:13

I think I can understand now why your OH is finding it hard to support you.

MorrisZapp · 31/03/2017 19:14

Your GP does not have the answers and can not make you happy. But they might be able to prescribe something that will give you the room to grasp your many issues head on, ultimately making yourself happy.

Is happy a reasonable goal? Have you felt happy in the past?

Notonthestairs · 31/03/2017 19:15

Haywire - read Michael Sheens post and then read your post again.

You are overwhelmed and your DH may be contributing to this but the only way out is for you to take a few small steps by seeing your GP and being completely lay it all out there honest with them.
No your GP won't have all the answers (neither do we). But talking to someone seems like a good place to start changing things up.
And then you might need a lawyer - but make sure feel better in yourself first. Divorce can be a tough process.

user1471462115 · 31/03/2017 19:18

And I think you have a physical component to your current state, as anaemia is horrible and no one can cope with life if they are anaemic. I have already given you a suggestion for sorting this out and the extra tests your GP needs to do.
I will add that you should also ask for thyroid function to be checked as all of these can make life unbearable.
Somethin is not right and you have to get this sorted first, before you can tackle your relationship
Please go and see your GP about your physical health as no one should be on high dose iron all the time, and feel as poorly as you do as soon as you stop taking iron

Haywirefire · 31/03/2017 19:18

I've never done happy, but I'm ok with being unhappy. No alarms and no surprises.
My husband thought he could 'fix' me when we first got married. Confused.
Happiness is not my aim. Not being anxious and stressed is.

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Haywirefire · 31/03/2017 19:20

And I want to stop being anaemia and having to take iron tablets all the time, of course.

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OnceMoreIntoTheBleach · 31/03/2017 19:20

I find this attitude of utter resistance toward seeking help for MH issues abhorrent. It's one of the reasons why there is still such a stigma around MH issues.

You're not well. See your doctor. Get some treatment.

LonginesPrime · 31/03/2017 19:21

Also, it will get much easier as your kids get older. They'll become less reliant on you doing everything for them and can even help take over some of the chores.

Parker231 · 31/03/2017 19:23

Why won't you discuss being stressed and anxious with your GP - what's wrong in your GP prescribing some medication which might make you feel better able to cope with the areas of your life which you are struggling with. Working ft with young children in a stressful job and a long commute is hard work- take any help you can get. You might only need medication short term but don't discuss medical help so readily.

Haywirefire · 31/03/2017 19:24

Nice try - sneaking in meds under the banner of anti stress. Grin

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ahamsternest · 31/03/2017 19:26

You started this thread, asking "what can I do?". We have told you. I don't understand why you'd choose to ignore everything that's said and insist you'd rather just be unhappy.

BoringUsername17 · 31/03/2017 19:26

OP you sound like me a few years ago. So exhausted and living on adrenaline/anger.
You have to put your own oxygen mask on before you can help anyone else.
Channel the anger energy into fighting for your own survival instead of fighting everyone else. Your DH may be acting like a total dick (mine did-ended our marriage eventually). Don't waste energy on fighting with him, conserve it for helping yourself.
If you want to survive you need to stop making excuses for why you can't change anything and you need to make some maybe hard choices about what you are going to change.
If you got run over by a bus tomorrow your caseload at work would just have to be dealt with by someone else.
Getting signed off work for a couple of weeks minimum would make more sense than taking off one day here and there
I hope you get through this OP. I've been there and it's the pits.

Haywirefire · 31/03/2017 19:28

Thanks. Out of interest how did you make it through?

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SugarMiceInTheRain · 31/03/2017 19:28

Flowers for you OP. I get that you are totally burnt out, and in an ideal world your DH would be wonderfully supportive, but it sounds like he may be struggling to cope too. That doesn't mean he's a terrible husband, it just means that he's aware that if he goes under, the whole family goes under. He's putting his mental health first. I have suffered with depression quite a lot and know that when it's worse, I can't cope with being a listening ear to others who complain and drain the last dregs of my energy, so I have sympathy for him too.

So here's what I'd suggest.

  1. Go to your GP, get signed off work as a short-medium term measure, you clearly aren't coping. This in itself will show your DH that you are serious, and not just moaning about your load.
  2. While you are off work, have a serious chat with your husband - not a moan, a rational, factual chat about how you feel and what can be done. Be open about everything, try not to be defeatist but to look for solutions.
  3. Be open with friends/ family. People can't be supportive if they don't know you're struggling. As soon as I was honest with myself and others about the state of my mental health, it became easier, people helped me, listened to me, gave advice (including cutting out sugar/ caffeine, drinking more water, plenty of walks in the fresh air... but sometimes these aren't enough)

I won't bother trying to convince you about medication as you seem to be adamant not to go down that route. Actually, screw that, here's what happened to me - I was the same, first time round, I thought ADs 'weren't for me' and I didn't want to be 'popping pills' and you know what? I bitterly regret it. I barely remember a thing about the first 2 years of my middle child's life. All those firsts and the joy at each new developmental stage? No idea, because I refused the help I needed, even though I was so unhappy I kept hoping I'd have an accident and be hospitalised for a few weeks so as to get a break. All I remember about those 2 years is a deep dark hole of unhappiness and anxiety.
Second time the depression started creeping in, I went straight to the doctor. Got some ADs because I didn't want the early years of DC3's life to be as miserable and anxious as DC2's. Just a low dose helped take the edge off my anxiety and depression (not every type suits every person, so sometimes you have to try different ones and they take a couple of weeks to kick in). But I'm glad I did. I'm weaned off them now - took them for less than a year, but they stopped my perspective from being clouded and stopped me running out on my family when I felt I couldn't cope. Forget your preconceived ideas about anti-depressants and whatever hangups you have about them - it's not just prozac and lithium - there are different types and they don't turn you into a zombie, they enable you to be the person you are normally when you're not anxious or depressed - the real you.