It's my fault that the NHS is too expensive

[snowmash]

and I can't do anything about it :(

Ty still up as they're not happy with my physical health. Blah...all the makings of a french farce. Sleep well all!

snowmash you've probably thought of this, but would your carer be able to bring you your usual "going into hospital" kit tomorrow? I'm sure you're an old hand at making yourself as comfortable as possible in the circs.

Right, that's me off as well. Night everyone, sleep well. Hope tomorrow is good/better for all.

Hi snowmash just caught up , hope you re feeling a bit better today and managed to get some sleep. Big hug from me !

Morning. Note to self: do not sit up in bed during night unless you want to be yelled at. Also wondering how theycould physically force me to go back to paych's room/ stop me leaving before the section (they were talking about commOn law to each other, don't understand.

Morning. Who yelled at you snowmash ? Did they think something was wrong ? I don't understand about the section I'm afraid. Have you had some breakfast ?

I don't understand about it either or common law. A male nurse who had been shining torches through the door into my face yelled at me til I lay down then left the door open all night. I was only sitting up.

It's a bit like yesterday before the section when I was trying to leave by hanging on to the wall andyhey grabbed my arms, held me up and forced me back into my chair (but that was worse)

I begin to think sectiOn means thy can tell me what to do

:( I'm sorry they upset you snowmash. Is there anyone who you can ask about it today ? Can you explain you were only sitting up last night and felf upset you were shouted at ?

Morning snowmash, and sorry you had such a bad night; he should not have yelled at you for sitting up.

Section means you have to stay at the hospital, and it's a legal requirement, so maybe someone was questioning common-law rights
but I'm just guessing and it's not important at this stage.

Hope you have managed to eat (and drink) enough
as they will no doubt be monitoring this while checking your physical health.

Is there anything we can do for you (from a few hundred miles away I'm afraid). Glad you have your phone with you; check charging system there.

Hi Snowmash - another mumsnetter here following your thread and wishing you all the very best for your hospital stay.

Try to keep eating etc. Things will start to get better from here.

Lots of people really care about you here. Take Care x

Hi snowmash

Yes they can hold you against your will unfortunately. They need to explain it properly to you if you ask.

Common law can come into play whenever someone is detained (as you are) - there is something called habeas corpus that means (simplified) you have the right to have detention reviewed by an independent judge or panel.

And reviews are built into the system anyway - under your current form of section there is a limited time they can keep you in.

We can talk about that more (I'm a lawyer) but for now you are honestly in the right place xx

Sorry you had a difficult night, snowmash. Powerlessness is grim, isn't it?

I'm glad you're still online - you're the same snowmash to us whether you're in hospital or hiking through the desert (although reception might be poorer in the latter...)

Agree with shodatin that it's important to eat and drink even if you don't feel like it - it'll keep them off your back and also improve your physical health.

Lots of supportive thoughts beaming your way...

Sorry for making this thread just slightly more surreal today.

Please don't apologise TIANC, surreal is good today and can use a laugh.
Snowmush, Can you imagine yourself being in the Sahara? It would probably be a better experience than the hospital, but I hope you're doing alright and getting some answers.

My brother had a similar experience a few weeks ago, and everyone at the hospital was lovely, so I hope you've met some nice people.

shodatin gosh, sorry to hear you have a DB who's been unwell. Hope things have improved for him now.

And I noticed further up that you've been dealing with cancer. So I hope you're also on the up slope now.

Blimey, we ain't half a bunch of cronks on here!

DB's absolutely fine now, thanks, and it could have been so much worse. It's one of the reasons I was worried about snowmash.

I've almost forgotten about the C now, it was years ago anyway.

Where is snowmash, I wonder?

That was a really silly post, we are pretty sure snowmash is in hospital, I meant it seems a long while since she posted.

Snowmash do you still have your phone?

Definitely Silly Saturday today!

Vv glad to hear the C is in the past, and your DB is now back to his old self. That's extremely encouraging all round!

What's everyone eating this evening? We've cobbled together a chicken casserole from various MN recipes plus PEARL BARLEY - always a favourite ingredient but even more so after the mad pearl barley thread. Started a bit late, so don't yet know how it turns out.

I am taking meds but feeling v bad about doing so. The common law bit was before the assessment(?) when I asked to come past they kept moving in my way and saying they didn't feel I was safe and manhandled me back through outpatients to the office I had left.

I think I do need plain English about what it means - someone earlier said my decisions had been taken away from me and I've been taken out of society, but that's upsetting not clear. Someone later said I am ill not bad like I keep saying - apparently I am the only one that thinks that :(
People keep saying stuff like that now - need to ask psych why section as I think it's because I was bad and upset Gp and neuro

Loads of posts - Phone charging not allowed in room. Ty so much all for continuing to talk with me... Shodatin I hope your Db feels better. Tianc reception is poorer in hosp ;) you are all so kind and it's great to have something safe to read - bit fragile for mumsnet generally.
Telling myself section only lasts til i see consultant (may not be true as up to 28 days but feels like imprisonment without trial by jury).

snowmash you are sectioned not because you are bad but because you are ill.

Part of your illness is that you do not understand that you are ill and you think your thinking and behaviour is normal. Other people, including us here on line can see it and that's why you need to be kept in.

Not because you have done anything wrong. And your GP was just concerned that you are ill. You did nothing wrong to her and you have not been bad to anyone.