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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood sugar diet and fast800 support thread #18

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 10/03/2020 17:03

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers, plus those following the Fast800 plan. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD/fast 800 is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
Fast800: follow the plan above, sticking to 800 calories every day for 2 weeks. Ideal to give your weightloss a real kick start, plus improve your insulin function and reduce your sugar cravings.
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint or 2 weeks of Fast800, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

You can stop 800 calorie days at any time once you achieve your goal. It’s advised to limit yourself to 12 weeks maximum at 800 calorie days, but you should get excellent results in 8 weeks. Depending on your weightloss goals, you can do further ‘rounds’ of either the 8 week BSD or the Fast800.

Time restricted eating/TRE :
In addition to the fast800/ BSD plan you can incorporate a strategy of time restricted eating. Put simply, this means only eating between certain times each day to maximise your fasting time. TRE has shown to have positive results for weightloss, even if there is no calorie restriction, and increases insulin sensitivity/reduces insulin resistance. At first, try for a clear 12 hours without food each 24 hours, increasing to 16:8 as you get more adept at fasting.

Some useful links:
BSD and Fast800 support thread #17
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/fasting_diet/3787860-bsd-and-fast800-support-thread-17

Previous thread

Meal planning ideas thread
Blood sugar diet recipe thread and menu planner meal planning thread

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=healthyeater.com/important-tool-weight-loss" target="_blank">TDEE calculator to calculate your daily calorie requirement

information about the ‘whoosh’ phenomenon

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Kimlek · 15/03/2020 19:31

Looks like our whole family and village will be fasting!

CiorstanMI · 15/03/2020 20:03

Just been to our local Tesco and apart from loo roll, pasta and flour (the latter two of course I didn't want due to low carbing) things were fine. Stocks were a little thin in places but nothing drastic.

I'm closing the kitchen on day 7 at 862 calories and 52g carbs.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 15/03/2020 20:23

@Cream123 me too , I've done an incredible impression of a human dustbin this week. God knows why, I was doing so well! I did a little weigh in today and was 10.4 so actually not too terrible a gain, and today I've been ok except for a piece of pink grapefruit drizzle cake. But I just feel really bloated and yuck after eating too much and I am also due on.

I'm going to really try and channel some BSD vibes tomorrow and fast as long as I can, with some chicken broth on stand by if I need it. Try to get back to that nice motivated place I was a few weeks ago!

Busy week ahead, although my daytimes are a bit freer so I will be getting my running in, doing my boxing and trying to get back to daily yoga as I slipped a bit last week. My food is all planned assuming I can actually get it, but I do have a fair amount of BSD stuff (fish, meals etc) in the freezer if I need them. I'd like a nice clear week of 800 but I know that actually, far more than a menu I need my head to be on board so my focus this week is I only need 5lbs off to be in new numbers! I could do it this week if I really focus.

I have a race on 29th and it's a fairly long one (10 mile) so ideally i will not drink next weekend which should definitely help with that.

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bluepixie · 15/03/2020 21:19

I’ve just planned my entire week till Sunday and will be sticking to it. Human dustbin here too.

Kimlek that’s insane! I’m so sorry it’s utterly mad!!!! No I think Tesco delivery were saying it was putting them at risk not knowing who did and didn’t have it but maybe I’m mistaken but I’m sure I read this somewhere...but I mean all of working sort of are? Anyways I really hope u get and have some food!!! If not fasting for u!!!!

Tmrw yoghurt and berries
Chicken and Avacado salad
Dinner prawn stir fry

bluepixie · 16/03/2020 06:58

Not reporting my weight this am after the weekend
But it’s def going to make me behave (it’s less than last Monday which is the only positive).
I want to see 10 something by this Sunday
Unsure if it will happen :/

Good days everyone. Stay safe!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 16/03/2020 07:08

@Cream123 haha just came on to say the same thing! I deserve a few pounds gain to be honest so I'm accepting it with good grace and drawing a line. Back on it today!

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bluepixie · 16/03/2020 07:26

Same!
We can do it this week :)

bluepixie · 16/03/2020 07:26

Same as in - I deserve it!

RubbishSwimmer · 16/03/2020 07:56

Morning all. Day 7 for me I think, and I’m 3 pounds down overall.

Not bad at all for a little ‘un like me.

FluffyEarMuffs · 16/03/2020 08:26

Been doing really bad for the last 10 days. I deserve the gain I have 😔 carbs have made me feel so heavy and bloated 😔 I wish I could remember this feeling when next tempted by them.

So I am joining everyone else on the Strict Week starting today 🙌🏻

Water and mint tea are the order of the morning, and trying to get 10,000 steps in again.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 16/03/2020 09:24

@FluffyEarMuffs I think we all feel like that sometimes. I think the current times and the stressful situation we are in as a country cannot be helping either.

Hope everyone has a better day today. I'm off to the vet with the kitten for her jabs and her microchip, then braving the supermarkets. I will do a hiit workout later, and my yoga. It's finally sunny here so I'd love to get outside in the garden too to tidy it up a bit.

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bluepixie · 16/03/2020 12:12

Ugh i want cake and chocolate! Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

bluepixie · 16/03/2020 13:13

So I broke and had a Kit Kat and a biscuit
So so cross at myself
Someone please shake some sense into me!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 16/03/2020 14:03

@Cream123 deep breaths..... this is not catastrophic. Put it into your calorie tracker and then work out what you're having for dinner. Prove to yourself that you can still do 800/900 cals today as long as you draw the line and start now.

I think we tell ourselves 'oh I'm crap at dieting and I always do this' and then we do it and we go 'see, I was right' . you need to change the script;
"I'm @Cream123 and I'm not crap at this. Just because I ate does not mean I am a failure'

I find it helps to really close my eyes and just properly visualise what 'losing weight' means. I think particularly if like me you're a lifelong dieter, all 'losing weight' means is falling off the wagon repeatedly. But on this plan it really does mean being genuinely slimmer, healthier, living longer.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 16/03/2020 14:26

Sorry for the bold text fail- I'm not shouting at you!

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FluffyEarMuffs · 16/03/2020 14:43

You make so much sense @thenewaveragebear1983

Chin up @Cream123 You can turn this around.

I am not strictly counting calories today as i need to just cut out carbs again first. So far though I have made Green Soup with black garlic, parsley, an avocado and a bag of spinach with some veg stock.

And I have had a small chunk of cheese and a teaspoon of nut butter.

I shall try and pick up some kale to have with dinner.

bluepixie · 16/03/2020 15:01

Thanks for support and advice!

Want to hit self over head. I’m now feeling really tired after eating all that sugar . I don’t even like Kit Kat’s much!

Yes life long dieter here - really want this one to be the one which keeps on st and narrow

Well done for getting back on fluffy I’m promising myself to behave now on

CiorstanMI · 16/03/2020 20:15

Day 8 and am closing the kitchen at 912 calories and 40g of carbs.

Completed my first week yesterday and have lost 3.8kg (I think that's 8lb in old money). Am delighted! Hope I can keep it up now I'm getting past the initial 'honeymoon' phase.

Sending positive vibes to all the people who had a rubbish weekend diet-wise. Totally agree with @thenewaveragebear1983, the odd slip doesn't equate to failure.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 16/03/2020 21:43

I did a long fast today to counteract the excesses of the weekend. As a result I am closing the kitchen on 650 cals, 21g carbs and 12k steps (no run today, or yoga)

Tomorrow I plan to run after school drop off, just a short one. I have my 4th session of collagen on my stomach (and I'm really hoping it's not cancelled!) and then work from 3.30 for a course and then my normal teaching session. Busy day. Food will be soup for lunch and then my evening meal which will be veggie sausages and veg, so should hopefully come in around 800 if all goes to plan

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CaptainBrickbeard · 17/03/2020 08:08

Ok, so I lost quite a bit of weight last week through being too worried to eat (a first for me!) I have slid out of routine and keep forgetting meals and losing my appetite.

I am in 14 day isolation with my family. I’m no longer calorie counting. For me now this is all about trying to nourish my body and keep as healthy as I can. I won’t be putting it under unnecessary stress.

I’m so grateful for this thread. Because of this thread, I’m coming into this new weird reality two and a half stone lighter. My BMI is under 35 instead of hovering close to 40. My risk category of becoming more seriously ill is significantly reduced thanks to this thread.

Thank you all of you for your support in helping me to achieve that. I’m taking everything I’ve learned about nourishing myself and keeping active and I’m going to continue making myself healthy and losing weight steadily. Without all of this, I would be absolutely headfirst in the carbs right now and feeling a lot worse. So I’m keeping low carb, I’m keeping the TRE and I’m keeping the principles. I hope you all stay safe and well. And thank you for changing my life this year and making me so much safer now xx

thenewaveragebear1983 · 17/03/2020 08:18

@CaptainBrickbeard that's amazing, well done. I hope you and your family are ok. You're so right in that we are improving our health and giving ourselves a fighting chance. But now is definitely a time to be kind to ourselves and think of our health above all.

Is everyone taking a vitamin supplement? I have always done, but I'd probably recommend it at the moment if you aren't already.

I'm 2.5lbs down today after fasting yesterday, 10.5.

Stay safe everyone ThanksStar

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bluepixie · 17/03/2020 08:31

@CaptainBrickbeard well done and stay safe. I hope ur all ok. It’s a very strange scary and uncertain time atm.

Well done @thenewaveragebear1983

I didn’t weigh today. I didn’t want to cry! But I’m feeling super focussed

Just had spinach egg salmon
Lunch is sardined and tomatoes
Dinner prawn stir fry
2 coffees

Will be 780 and 15g carbs. Much needed after last few days.

Yes to multivitamin and yes to maybe loosening up things with calorie intake given what’s going on if that’s the right for u and ur family.

CiorstanMI · 17/03/2020 13:15

Congratulations on the weight lost so far @CaptainBrickbeard, that's impressive. Completely understand the choice you're making for the moment.

I've just discovered I've been making a very silly mistake over the yoghurt I eat for breakfast. It's full of sugar and is adding nearly 20g carbs a day to my intake. Needless to say will be changing to another brand but am so annoyed with myself for being so stupid. No wonder I've been struggling to get my carbs under the 50g mark. Blush

thenewaveragebear1983 · 17/03/2020 13:53

@CiorstanMI which have you been having? Any of the shops own Greek full fat is fine (I used to prefer Sainsbury's one when I still ate dairy)

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CiorstanMI · 17/03/2020 14:00

It's the Tesco honey-flavoured one. How it didn't occur to me that it must have loads of sugar in it I can't imagine - I mean the clue's in the name really!

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