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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

5:2 Thread number 89: Believe in yourself and your goals. You are braver than you think, more talented than you know, and capable of more than you imagine

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BigChocFrenzy · 31/01/2020 14:24

Welcome to the continuing thread for those following 5:2 or other forms of IF (Intermittent Fasting) such as 4:3, ADF, or daily 16:8 Smile

The 5:2 diet was introduced by Michael Mosely on BBC Horizon on August 2012:

Basically it is 2 very low cal days ("fasts") per week - which need not be consecutive - and eat "normally" to maintain on the other 5 days.

For those who have dieted or maybe overeaten for years, eating "normally"
means roughly the number of calories your body needs to maintain - NOT reduce - its weight (see TDEE calculator below).

IMPORTANT
If you have had past diagnosed Eating Disorders or serious MH problems you should NOT do 5:2 or any other kind of fasting

ACRONYMS

16:8 is a different type of fasting, which can be combined with 5:2.
Daily zero-cal fast for 16 hours and eat within an 8 hour window. To lose weight, this needs a weekly calorie deficit as well

4:3 = fast on 3 non-consecutive days per week

ADF (Alternate-Day Fasting) = fast every other day

b2b (optional) back-to-back / consecutive fast days, each with an increased allowance of 650 calories instead of 500

BMI (Body Mass Index) healthy range is 18.5 - 24.9 for Caucasians. Upper limit may be 22 for some of Asian origin.

FD = single Fast Day: aim for 500 calories (600 for men or 25% TDEE whichever is higher) or 1000 cals for BF
No alcohol or junk on FDs
Even if you exercise strenuously, do NOT increase FD cals to allow for exercise

MFP = My Fitness Pal, a useful App or website to track food & drink calories

miniFD = MiniFD, 850- 1000 calories, no alcohol or junk

NFD = Non-Fast Day, averages around TDEE

NSV / LSV = Non Scale Victory / LifeStyle (change) Victory, e.g. compliment, smaller waist, clothes size

SV = Scale Victory

TDEE = Total Daily Energy Expenditure, the average number of calories you burn in a day, is calculated (see calculators below) from your current weight, height, age, activity level.
Aim to average about this for NFDs.

WOE / WOL = Way Of Eating / Way Of Life. We say this instead of "diet", to emphasise that we must make a permanent change in how we eat, to mainitain our new healthy weight longterm.

HOW TO START

. Take initial measurements: weight, waist, hips
. Use TDEE calculator below if you need a rough guide to how much to eat on NFDs
. Choose any 2 days for FDs, non-consecutive is easier.
. Before each FD: plan, shop & calorie count ALL food & drink for the day

Useful Resources & Calculators

Calorie Counter: mfp
Rough Calories for NFD: Mosely TDEE Calc (exercisers: set activity level to one below what you think)
BMI: Calc
Ideal Weight & Body Frame Size: Calc Wt Frame
Body Fat: BFat Calc
Choose / Visualise Goal Weight:
3D BMI body types ripped to normal
Bod Vis Measurements & 3D rotate]]

Safe Alcohol Calc: Calc Units Cals

FD Recipes:
Mosely LowCarb , low carb Diet Doc
BBC Good Food 52 , BBC Good Food 500 cal meals ,
Good2Know , Foodie Under 200 Cals
Vegetarian ,

FD Ready Meals, Fast Food

Any Day:
Meal Planner

FAQs / Tips

  • WATER: Start each day with a glass of water; and drink plenty during the day.
  • HOT DRINKS: No limits on tea or coffee, but on FDs count any milk / sugar calories.
  • SLEEP: Try to get enough sleep, or it may slow weight loss.
  • EXERCISE: is healthy & can help weight loss - BUT only if you do NOT eat back less than you burn. Fasted training can burn more fat.
HIIT and resistance training both work well with 5:2/IF.
  • FDs: If possible, choose days when you are busy, but not preparing meals for others.
Concentrate on protein & veg; avoid sugar or fruit juice. e.g. Stir-fries, soups & stews. Ready meals are OK.
  • BFers: start with 1000-cal FDs, optionally reduce to 700 cals gradually.
You can return to 1000 if growth spurts or sleep-deprivation require more fuel.
  • NFDs: No rules, but to improve health, try to cut down on added sugar & junk food, keep alcohol within safe limits. A few treats per week are fine.
  • Do NOT fast: if you've ever had EDs, or if pregnant, under 21, over-stressed, fever, stomach bug, even a bad cold.
  • CHECK with your Doctor: if you have diabetes, any other endocrine condition, any serious past or present medical condition, or if taking ANY prescribed medication (fasting may affect absorption rate)

Scientific Evidence for Fasting & Health

BBC article on the original Horizon program

Telegraph comments on 5:2 and gives a brief overview by Dr Mosley, useful for newbies.

This InterviewPart1 and InterviewPart2 with leading ADF researcher Dr Varady explains why fasting helps you to lose weight AND improves some health markers.

Fasting boosts "autophagy" = recycling of old cells
Yoshinori Ohsumi won the 2016 Nobel prize for Medicine for research into autophagy
NOBEL Lecture “Autophagy – An Intracellular Recycling System”

Prof. R Taylor (Newcastle Uni) won the 2013 Diabetes UK Banting Prize for his Twin Cycle Hypothesis re the cause of type 2 diabetes: Twin Cycle Hypothesis T2
and showed a fasting diet could reverse T2

Dr Michelle Harvie (funded by cancer charities) showed possible benefits of intermittent fasting compared to standard daily calorie reduction in her trials (consecutive FDs) with women at high risk of breast cancer: ComparingDiets , EarlierResearch52

Dr Johnson showed intermittent fasting helped Asthma

HORMESIS & Why Intermittent Fasting Works: Mattson , BlackSwan and Hormesis

Molecular Mechanisms and Clinical Applications: J CellMetabolism
Recent research into the health benefits of fasting: e.g. by world-respected neuroscientist Dr MarkMattson (Mosely referred to his research) showed:

. Improved glucose regulation
. Loss of abdominal fat with maintenance of muscle mass
. Reduced blood pressure and heart rate
. Improved learning and memory and motor function
. Protection of neurons in the brain against dysfunction and degeneration in animal models of Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, stroke and Huntington’s disease.

Brain metabolism in health, aging, andneurodegeneration :
"lifestyles that include intermittent bioenergetic challenges, most notably exercise and dietary energy restriction, can increase the likelihood that the brain will function optimally and in the absence of disease throughout life"

He compared 5:2 to ordinary daily diets on overweight women with family history of breast cancer.
Fasting group lost more belly fat, retained more muscle & had slightly better blood sugar regulation.

More of his research is in HealthyAging , Health , AvoidParkinsonsDisease

His article in J Aging Mech Disease 2015 explains the health benefits of intermittent fasting in great scientific detail.

Why intermittent fasting and stopping snacking can lower your risk of serious diseases:
Meal frequency and timing in health and disease

Fasting can help maintain brain health during aging:
emboj.embopress.org/content/36/11/1474
"lifestyles that include intermittent bioenergetic challenges, most notably exercise and dietary energy restriction, can increase the likelihood that the brain will function optimally and in the absence of disease throughout life"

This interview with leading researchers into fasting in combination with standard cancer treatment: ScientificDiscussion MoselyMattsonLongo and a LongoInterview

NY Times Fasting Overview

Research by other US and European scientists in this DailyTelegraph Article about the medicinal uses of fasting, for many serious conditions & diseases.

Recent trials with Type 2 diabetics and those at risk of having it used a form of daily fasting - skipping supper.
Their conclusions: eating 1-2 meals per day is better than several small meals for losing weight and controlling insulin levels, see Type2Paper

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BigChocFrenzy · 08/04/2020 11:35

Well done on your fasts yeaterday, badger, nose

Relax and enjoy your NFDs today, everyone not fasting

"It's so much harder to lose 2kg than to gain it"
That's evolution in action !
We evolved to cope with famine, not abundance

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moonlight1705 · 08/04/2020 12:13

I ended up doing another mini yesterday at 1015 calories. I'm on a TDEE today and really looking forward to my lunch and a nice glass of wine later with spaghetti bol.

One more mini for me tomorrow and then we'll see on Saturday as to those scale victories.

badger I got down to 116kg whilst breastfeeding and then put on 7kg within 4 months. It has taken me 7 months to lose that again - depressing how evolution works.

yumyumpoppycat · 08/04/2020 15:21

I must be very well evolved as my body is strongly refusing to get on track - my family is Irish so maybe the potato famine is the reason!

Fast going well so far, made pancakes for everyone except me as we were out of bread, did a workout and then had scrambled eggs and baby leaves for lunch to break fast. Just need to keep on track!!

Hope your fast is going well waspie

yumyumpoppycat · 08/04/2020 15:22

Enjoy your wine moonlight 🍷

BigChocFrenzy · 08/04/2020 19:57

Have you closed the kitchen, waspie, yum ?

Your NFD supper sounds very relaxing, Moon
Enjoy

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yumyumpoppycat · 08/04/2020 20:25

Yes kitchen closed on 800 but will have a tea with milk.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/04/2020 20:57

Well done, yumyum

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helpthismama · 09/04/2020 07:41

I managed a fast day on Tuesday and fasting again today - I weighed in at 9st 10.7 lbs. 4 weeks ago prior to little one being unwell and lockdown i was 9st 9.1lbs so hope I can get back there super fast.

BigChocFrenzy · 09/04/2020 10:19

Well done on Tuesday, Mama
and good luck today

You haven't much to lose for that target, so loss is likely to be slower than average,
but don't worry, be patient and you can get there

(everyone) For best results and to form healthier longterm habits,
try to keep 5:2 healthy habits on NFDs, even at weekends:

  • NHS alcohol limits - daily & weekly
  • NEVER snack / graze between meals - eat meals, nothing between
  • AIm for a daily eating window of no more than 12 hours, called 12:12 e.g. first meal at 8am and finish last meal by 8pm
  • On NFDs, you can have sensible amount of treats (e.g. alcohol, lattes, crisps, sugary treats) BUT only part of a meal, not on their own
  • Lots of water & veg each day
  • Cut down on fizzy drinks, even diet ones (sparkling UNflavoured water is fine)
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moonlight1705 · 09/04/2020 11:14

I'm on my last mini of the week and it is going well so far.

Last night didn't quite go as planned, made a lovely spaghetti bol with wine but DD decided she didn't want to sleep and stayed up until 8.45pm. We ended up battling a tired baby whilst we ate instead of a relaxing time. Oh well, she is normally very good sleeping so perhaps a blip.

Who else is fasting today?

emcla · 09/04/2020 11:19

Good luck help. I’m fasting today also. Feeling a bit tired as I’ve been walking a lot lately so hopefully I will stay on track.

noseovertail · 09/04/2020 12:49

I'm fasting with you today mama emcla& and moon*

Hopefully you can rest a little today emcla ?

My totm is due today, I'm hoping it'll stay away until this evening once fd is over!! Good luck everyone xx

noseovertail · 09/04/2020 12:50

Sorry, in my head I was texting my mate, didn't mean to put kisses at end Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 09/04/2020 13:09

Good luck too, moonlight, emcla, nose

Sounds like most could do with an early night tonight, a good habit on an FD

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badger82 · 09/04/2020 20:47

SV this morning 67.8 so have relost my Coronakilos - now just got to keep heading for goal weight of 59, not put them back on over Easter!

Hope everyone is ok and looking forward to Easter weekend at home with the family

noseovertail · 09/04/2020 21:28

Excellent sv badger

Fd finished here on about 630, was very hard today and again I nearly gave in numerous times so actually 630 is not too bad considering! Spent an hour in a queue to get into tesco today so made sure I got a few extra bottles of wine so that we dont have to head back for ages Grin

Hope everyone enjoys easter at home, I'm fasting again on Monday I reckon!

BigChocFrenzy · 09/04/2020 21:31

Congratulations on your SV, badger
Now just be careful the Easter eggs don't ambush you Grin

Well done on your FD, nose
You did really well to stick to it through those tricks times

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BigChocFrenzy · 09/04/2020 21:31

tricky times

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noseovertail · 10/04/2020 08:02

Thanks bcf 1lb down today although I had to put a new battery in the scales and it was all over the place at first but then settled (I made sure 5 times!) Grin happy with that, 4lb in 2 weeks, let's just hope easter weekend doesn't put all that back on 😲😲😲

moonlight1705 · 10/04/2020 08:08

I didn't post yesterday as it wasn't a very good mini. I ended up making ginger biscuits with DD (well she watched) and had a few.

I weighed and have STS this week which is decent considering the temptation around me Smile

yumyumpoppycat · 10/04/2020 08:51

Moonlight I have been caught out by a biscuit making child this week too!

Well done nose esp on getting through a hard fast day.

Hopefully fasting today but dh has put a bottle of white wine in the fridge ... if not I will fast tomorrow but either way skipping breakfast today . My weigh in this morning wasn't brilliant but I need to be consistent for a while and follow the no snacking etc on fast days rules - I actually wasn't too bad yesterday re snacks but think my portions were a little too big.

yumyumpoppycat · 10/04/2020 08:52

Sorry I meant non fast days for no snacking

Waspie · 10/04/2020 09:00

Morning fellow fasters Smile

My fast day yesterday was good. I had the day off and got up really late, then took the dog for a long walk across the fields. I made triple chocolate brownies with my son yesterday afternoon which was both fun and tempting! Although chocolate isn't my downfall so it could have been worse. I think ginger cookies might have made me break my fast moonlight!

Good luck Friday fasters Brew

BigChocFrenzy · 10/04/2020 11:07

Congratulations on your SV, nose
Good progress - but watch out for those sneaky Easter eggs leading you astray

sts is a good target atm, Moonlight
but also be careful this Easter WE

Well done on your FD, Waspie

I'm fasting too, yum
so good luck to us both

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yumyumpoppycat · 10/04/2020 11:36

Wow well done waspie for resisting brownie mix you are stronger than me!!

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