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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood Sugar Diet thread 11

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 03/06/2018 07:56

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

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TheAmazingShrinkingWoman · 05/06/2018 07:12

9.5lb off so far. Will try not to weigh til Friday now but I'm a bit addicted!

youngerself · 05/06/2018 08:38

I was really thinking about carby things as part of other foods - like carrots in sofrito or casseroles or salads, flour used in sauces, swede/parsnip in dishes
I've just got bsd recipe book and clever guts book and recipes from amazon so I'll go through those today

PrimalLass · 05/06/2018 08:40

Found you all. On holiday until this evening but back to it tomorrow.

ponygirlcurtis · 05/06/2018 08:54

bear that sounds a solid plan re maintenance.

Snowglobes - it's more like 3.5 weeks (I can't count!). I know the alcohol sugars are definitely the culprit but it's just how much they are scuppering things I am surprised at, especially since I have gone from having a glass or two most nights to none during the week at all. I lost 7lbs across the first two weeks then went up in the third week. I seem to be back down to a 6.5lb loss, hopefully that will carry on in the preferred direction for the rest of the week.

APlaceAtTheBSDTable · 05/06/2018 09:19

pony where you are in your cycle can cause a sudden peak too.

Fish happy anniversary! Your holiday sounds fab!

I haven't WI for 5 days but I spent most of yesterday deliberately not walking since my back is playing up again. I'm really struggling to find a balance with moving, eating and not being in pain.

Did anyone try this test to see how they process carbs?
Daily Mail Carbs Cracker Test
I don't have any crackers at home to check.

Oblomov18 · 05/06/2018 10:23

Wow Fish the QE2 7 course dinner sounds like heaven to me!
Sometimes I wonder whether I should be on this thread!GrinWink

Younger, agree the maintenance is weak from MM. But Bear and I and others have been here for years, and She is managing maintenance quite well, but even she has found it tricky.

As have I, and others. Not that I ever got to my target weight, so never should have been on maintenance!

Talking of which. In house repair nightmare, I have no kitchen at all. Am using disposable plates, and washing up in a bowl in the garden!

But I did finally find my scales. In the loft! And I'm back into the high 10's. Sad I need to lose that, then try and get down from the 10's into the 9's. Which is where I was, on this very thread, last year!

Really I should be 9 stone. Because I'm so small, but I doubt I'll ever get there, unless I start Bear running. And I hate all exercise, so that's never gonna happen.

But .... onwards we go.....

thenewaveragebear1983 · 05/06/2018 11:44

I think though Oblomov that although we’ve never quite reached target, we’ve all us long termers had some periods where we for whatever reason have decided to ‘maintain’ in preference to ‘gain’ but not strive to lose. Flip that around- I’m on a losing mission again and I know all the things I do differently when I want to lose. So we do have good experience of maintenance, and often are aware of the differences between a maintenance plan and a weightloss plan. I also think this time because I’ve had these breakthroughs of thinking about maintaining that I am sooo much better prepared for it this time.

I do think though, and this might not apply to everyone, but for me it is a sugar free life ahead and a pasta, rice, potato, bread free one too, for the majority of the time.
Goodbye old friend, I’ll miss you

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APlaceAtTheBSDTable · 05/06/2018 12:58

we’ve all us long termers had some periods where we for whatever reason have decided to ‘maintain’ in preference to ‘gain’ but not strive to lose
Yy I think that's true. When I was maintaining (fluctuating by one or two pounds), I ate more fruit. I also had a carb-heavy meal once or twice per month (usually risotto). I knew I could either increase cals (keeping carbs low) or keep cals relatively low (but increase carbs).
I also knew when I was going to put on weight eg Christmas; Easter - because I ignored all those tenets.
Having my fall knocked all of that out and that's why I'm back to trying to lose rather than maintain. But it was circumstance that threw my pattern out, not BSD failing.

Heismyopendoor · 05/06/2018 14:40

Wow bear amazing transformation!!

What is everyone’s favourite recipe? Looking for some dinner ideas :)

Heismyopendoor · 05/06/2018 14:40

Obviously talking about your pic in the last thread you posted a few days ago lol

ponygirlcurtis · 05/06/2018 16:07

Glad to hear that you had a great time seeing DH fish - QE2 sounds amazing!

I agree re maintaining - I have been slowly losing for 4 years since I started eating low-carb and I will now never go back to eating bread, pasta, potatoes etc. I have had lots of times when I have not been strict and much more relaxed about occasional treats like crisps or ice-cream or chips with a meal out - that's my maintenance plan really. Eat as I already do but not strict.

Aplace I think I am about 4-7 days away from coming on so probably will stall from that just as I start losing again! Sorry to hear about your back pain, it can be so restricting.

abitoflight · 05/06/2018 16:26

Do these macros look compatible with bsd ? I've put pic of soup ingredients (not spices etc) and calories - I had a fifth of it
Or should I be leaving out beans?

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TheAmazingShrinkingWoman · 05/06/2018 17:16

BSD Chinese fakeaway. I am in heaven.

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 05/06/2018 17:18

I don’t really understand macros, I don’t really track them. My only input would be possibly to add more fat as you’re having 29% carbs and only 4% fat- because the beans are relatively high carb (even though they are allowed) but they probably shouldn’t be the main ingredient of the dish. Could you add some cheese or cream to the soup to balance it out a bit?

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TheAmazingShrinkingWoman · 05/06/2018 17:28

I also don't really track macros. I think it looks good and filling but would be adding cheese or maybe cream cheese to it to make it even more satisfying.

Oblomov18 · 05/06/2018 18:39

Amazing that looks yummy. Tell us your recipe? What is that on the right? It looks like scrummy chicken fried rice with peas!

ChocEggNoThanks · 05/06/2018 18:43

Urgh not great today. So tired, so busy in work and no proper meal planning. So had crap high cal lunch then big snack after work and then finally dinner. TOTM due imminently. At least my snack was cheese and crackers rather than a giant bar of chocolate as in pre BSD days.

TheAmazingShrinkingWoman · 05/06/2018 19:06

It was chicken stir fry and egg fried rice. It does have onions in it because I cannot live without onions.

Stir fry - sliced onion, garlic, ginger, chicken breast, red pepper, mushrooms, tinned water chestnut, bamboo shoot slices, bean sprouts. Chuck in some soy sauce, Chinese five spice, salt and pepper.

In another pan - scramble an egg then put aside. Fry some finely sliced spring onion and grated cauliflower. Add peas and sit sauce and cook for a bit. Add the egg back.

Hangrily shove into your face in approximately 3 minutes while shouting at people who ask to try 'Just a little bit'.

APlaceAtTheBSDTable · 05/06/2018 19:50

Amazing that looks delish!

ChocEggNoThanks · 05/06/2018 20:00

Sounds great!

thefishwhocouldwish · 05/06/2018 20:25

Those of you talking about net carbs need to read this:

low-carb-support.com/net-carbs-mistakes/

Oblomov glad you found the scales but the kitchen sounds a nightmare. Don't believe that you can't be 9st again, I bet you can.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 05/06/2018 20:57

That’s interesting, thanks fish.

I’ve had a reasonable day but I’m way over on cals. I was just so hungry after work, then went for a run and it was a bad idea because I then had a rotten stitch which meant that the whole run was miserable. I should have turned back as I had a stitch by the end of the road but pushed on and then regretted it. And I always feel grumpy when I have a rubbish run. Plus grumpy as I’m nearing totm, and grumpy as I’m now two days into no sweetener and i must be more addicted than I thought!

Tomorrow I really could do with an 800 cals day. I’m going to fast through til lunch and then do 2 decent meals. Lots to do as I have various errands to run plus housework so plenty of steps.

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TheAmazingShrinkingWoman · 05/06/2018 20:59

The tough runs are mental training, Bear. Well done for getting out there and doing it. Have you planned your meals for tomorrow?

thenewaveragebear1983 · 05/06/2018 21:38

Thanks amazing, that’s very true actually. I always just feel a bit cheated when it’s tough, because that’s my few minutes of peace. But I like the idea of mental training!

Meals tomorrow- Lunch will be salad, avocado, cheese etc. I went to the supermarket earlier because we’ve been living on top up shops and it costs a fortune, so I went to do enough for the end of the week- and forgot my list! So bought a chicken to roast, some steak for Friday, and some mince. Will have to do a cupboard raid to write the menu but I should be able to get 5 meals from that, plus what’s in the freezer.

It’s a really higgledy few weeks as we’ve been away, and then it’s been Ds birthday, and on Saturday is his party; it’s so easy to just lurch from one weekend to the next. Because I only do ad hoc hours as well, when I do actually work it just throws everything out of sync!

But- mustn’t grumble.

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veryveryquietly · 05/06/2018 21:45

Ended up having a little late night binge last night Blush and have had a headache all day. (Weirdly, though, WI showed another lb off this morning.) No surprise I went over cals today - 975 total, but kept carbs fairly low (40 grs).

Slowly but surely getting back on with tracking, planning, and exercise though.

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