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Fasting / 5:2 diet

Talk about intermittent fasting and 5:2, including what’s worked for others. Mumsnet hasn't checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. You may wish to speak to a medical professional before starting any diet.

Blood Sugar Diet thread 11

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 03/06/2018 07:56

Here’s the new thread for the BSD followers. Everyone is welcome to join us. Here’s a quick recap!

The BSD is a low carb, Mediterranean style way of eating, with the primary aim of stabilising your insulin response when you eat. You achieve this by: eating fewer carbs, cutting out sugar and sweet tasting foods including most fruit, and by following a low calorie plan that reduces your visceral fat meaning that everything functions more effectively. Less insulin means less fat storage (in a nutshell, although more info can be found on this online). The diet was designed to reduce T2 diabetes symptoms (or even reverse it entirely) but can also be used for weightloss.

Eat:
Meats and fish
Oils
Eggs
Full fat dairy products
Nuts, seeds
Pulses/ beans
Veg that grows above ground
Limit fruit: apples, pears, berries- in moderation, with meals, with fats

Occasional alcoholic drinks allowed (spirits, red wine are preferable to beer, lager, etc)
Tea and coffee, herbal tea etc.
And water- drink lots of water!

Avoid
sugar, sweets, and ‘naturally occurring sugars’ such as fructose, maltose, honey, agave, puréed dates etc....

Potatoes of any variety
Pasta
Rice
Breakfast cereals (occasional steel cut oats are ok)
Breads/ flour based products

Exercise:
Michael Moseley recommends HIIT workouts to increase calorie burn and help to tone up, and recommends walking more (increasing your steps weekly until you hit around 10000 a day)

Mindfulness
MM also suggests a programme of mindfulness, meditation, practised for a few minutes each day.

How to follow the plan:
8 weeks BSD- 8 weeks, follow the guidelines above- 800 calories a day. You don’t need to count carbs grams because the diet is naturally self limiting.
BSD 5:2- for a more leisurely weightloss journey, or as maintenance, or once you’ve done an 8 week stint, you can play around with a combination of increased calorie count, ‘free eating’ and fasting days (800 cals) until you achieve your goals. Many of our long standing members now follow this approach.

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LunaTrap · 04/06/2018 09:03

Hi can I join you please? I've been following this diet on and off since last summer although have mainly followed the principles rather than strictly calorie counted. My starting weight was 13st7 and I am now 10st9 which is great but for the past couple of months I've just got into a rut of gaining and losing the same few pounds. I'm only 5ft1 so need to lose another stone just to get to a healthy BMI.

I'm going on holiday in 4 weeks and would really like to be in the 9's by then so am starting afresh today and plan to stick to the 800 cals as far as possible.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 04/06/2018 09:27

Welcome Luna,

Very interesting thread about fever tree tonic and fructose over in chat! It’s amazing how the two camps go to war over sugar/sweeteners

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thenewaveragebear1983 · 04/06/2018 09:27

To be pissed off at the fever tree take overhttp://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/amiibeingunreasonable/3268018-to-be-pissed-off-at-the-fever-tree-take-over

This one!

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LunaTrap · 04/06/2018 09:49

Thank you. Can I ask how others divide up their calories during the day? I never eat breakfast so hoping that saving more calories for later might help stave off the evening munchies which seems to be my downfall lately!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 04/06/2018 09:52

I try and hold off eating as long as possible. Today I’m having a shake (200 cals), a salad with ham (200 cals) and chicken breast and Parma ham and veg (hopefully 400 ish!). Due to free eating last week I am actually growling with hunger right now so I’m going to do my shake, but ideally I’d wait til lunchtime ish.

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ChocEggNoThanks · 04/06/2018 16:40

2lbs on this morning as predicted - did have a VERY heavy weekend. Week 7 begins but I haven't been very well-behaved since about week 3 🤔Must try harder!

Not bad so far today.

TheAmazingShrinkingWoman · 04/06/2018 17:54

Excellent day here. I'm trying 400 cal lunch and 400 cal supper this week. Yesterday was tricky but today was easy - back at work and the routine makes everything simpler.

I had salmon for my supper but I weighed it when it was cooked and felt like I got loads more for my calories - in fact I've just had a look online and the variance in calories according to different sources in cooked salmon is huge so I feel a bit lost as to how many I've had!

thenewaveragebear1983 · 04/06/2018 18:25

I’ve had a looooong day. Last day of school holidays, inset day so I had my dc plus my friends 6yo as well. Food good, but I’ve had a thumping headache as a result of actually being on plan, and possibly as I have had no sweeteners today in my coffees. Strangely I am sitting here thinking I’d love a coffee, I would never normally have one or want one at this time, but maybe that’s my body craving the sweetness instead.

I’m going for a run as soon as Dh steps foot in the door tonight!

Amazing I have always used the calorie counts for raw weight unless it specifically says ‘cooked weight’ . So a 200g steak is 200g raw, about 180 cooked, but it’s the raw weight I count. I don’t know if that’s right or not, but that’s how I’ve always done it. Now also thinking of all the 20g slithers of meat I’m owed after doing it wrong for 5 months......! The meat packets sometimes say word to the effect of ‘100g pork chop, grilled and trimmed of fat’ etc which i’ve always took to mean raw weight. Things like ‘roast chicken meat’ I would weigh once cooked. What does everyone else do? --

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TheAmazingShrinkingWoman · 04/06/2018 18:29

If I weigh it cooked I use cooked and if j weigh it raw I use raw. The problem I've got today is it seemed like a huge amount of salmon for the calories so I checked it on a few other websites and the variance was about 100cal for 150g.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 04/06/2018 18:39

Ah I see. Did you buy it from a supermarket (so have calories in the label?), I find big variations between the different supermarkets, eg Lidl steaks tend to be fattier than Sainsbury’s for example, so the calories for each cut is different. The calories counts on my app vary wildly too, which is probably why I always use raw weight as that comes from the packaging, (and in the early days I’d enter them as a new entry too from the packaging)

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ChocEggNoThanks · 04/06/2018 18:49

We got McDonald's for dinner but it's coming in at 450 cals ish Spicy veggie burger and salad with coffee. Could have been much worse. I award myself a medal!

ChocEggNoThanks · 04/06/2018 18:54

Quietly the planning thing is so crucial for success on this diet, isn't it? It makes every calorie count. I like being a couple of days ahead on MFP but I've let things slip a bit. You've inspired me to do a bit of meal planning.

TheAmazingShrinkingWoman · 04/06/2018 19:05

I normally use raw weight because I weigh everything before cooking. Lesson learnt for next time! Think I've got a fairly accurate count for today but who knows...

thenewaveragebear1983 · 04/06/2018 19:19

It probably balances out over time anyway amazing, apparently supermarket calories labelling can have a leeway of 10% over or under anyway, so for some you’ll count more and others less.

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thereinmadnesslies · 04/06/2018 19:31

So randomly despite my wine binge yesterday afternoon, I weighed in this morning 3lb lower. It’s probably dehydration and I ended up vomming as well, but I’ll take it for the 3lb loss Grin

veryveryquietly · 04/06/2018 20:50

ChocEgg planning is hard but is also the only thing that stands between me and takeaway. And all my takeaway options (other than sushi, which I don't care for and can't afford on the regular!) are deep-fried brown things or fluffy gooey doughy things. So must plan. Have also found that online grocery shopping is a lifesaver too, as my willpower falls to pieces, esp if I'm hungry, in the shops.

Not a perfect day today - 955 cals -- but getting more disciplined again. Instead of my usual glass of wine, I had a half-glass and then added fizzy water, and it was pretty good.

So here's my upcoming dilemma: long-haul flights. Dear wise BSDers: what can I take that will go through security, keep me from eating the carbtastic airline food out of boredom, and keep me from getting hangry on an 8-hr flight? I can probably get an acceptable salad at my connection, but the flight there is the challenge. Can I take mini-cheeses through security?

thenewaveragebear1983 · 04/06/2018 21:12

Mini cheeses, surely can go through? Pork scratchings.
Nuts, but not peanuts?

I’ve gone way over today. 1300 cals, 51g carbs (12g fibre)- but as it was day one I’ll let it slide- I have kept the carbs low, had no artificial sweeteners, been for a run and done 19.5k steps.

Tomorrow I am working, so will take my salad to have at lunchtime and will do a quick run afterwards before the dc get delivered home. The problem today was I was just here too much- ate breakfast and grazed a little bit after several hours of bickering children. Work is so restful in comparison and I can only eat what I take with me!

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veryveryquietly · 04/06/2018 22:04

Yeah, I think mini cheeses, almonds, beef jerky/biltong, and some chopped veggies will be ok, and I can probably find plain yogurt, hummus, and/or an acceptable salad past security.

I suspect hard-boiled eggs or tuna would be a very anti-social choice though!

ponygirlcurtis · 04/06/2018 22:31

I had that issue re weight on the packet as well - the packet said something like 'x calories grilled' which I took to mean cooked weight. Still unsure!

I am a bit stuck - I am sticking to the diet every day, drinking lots of water, keeping carbs low, getting my steps in. At the weekend I am still eating BSD food but with added gin/red wine. Definitely still within (under) my tdee. At one point I had lost 7lbs. Yet I have bounced in the wrong direction - now back up to only 5lbs after 2.5 weeks. I am hoping tomorrow will show me a better view but currently feeling a bit Confused about what to do.

thefishwhocouldwish · 04/06/2018 22:31

Found you all! I'm back from Dubai, which was lovely. DH definitely noticed! He walked right past me at the main entrance at first, as he thought I was still gathering my luggage. Later he said 'You haven't half dropped some weight' (he's from the north, unlike me) and asked where my tummy had gone, although I was lying down for that one. I went to the gym three times and swam twice, as well as eating very little during the day as we ate out most evenings. Our anniversary dinner on the QE2 had seven courses, and all were divine.

Not too much damage done, I was 6.3kg down last Tuesday and have bounced back up by 900g today. That will go quickly. Definitely aiming for a new low by next Monday's weigh in, and I'm on a round number at the moment so I will have a new start number, hopefully.

Glad to see that you are all doing well, even if there's some damage limitation going on. Great pics bear

Snowglobes · 04/06/2018 22:53

After a disastrous week of boozing & gaining 4lbs I’m back on it today. No alcohol and coming in at 813 calories. Walked the dog too.
I’m a bit concerned re nutrients though as according to MFP all my vits, iron, fibre etc are seriously low (like 2% of expected intake). Is this an issue? Do you take supplements?

abitoflight · 05/06/2018 00:26

Snow - yes I have got supplements but only remember sometimes - due to low readings on mfp. I should take daily according to nutrition on that
But I only eat meat and veg and drink gin on a standard day having cut out most milk until at goal
Confused
Not happy that my bar with friends has only fever tree tbh. Vodka soda is too boring. Gin has plenty of flavour and I'm happy with slimline at home.
Re calorie intake spread, I have 2 teas with ss milk first thing then lunch at about 2pm and evening meal at 8. I go out a lot so save up for then for gin/dry white wine.

youngerself · 05/06/2018 00:41

Is it just me that's a bit disappointed with MM book about med diet maintenance phase? It' seems lacking on detail about how to go about it IMO
Also I've read that if some simple carbs taken with good amount of fibre/ veg, then that mitigates against rapid simple usage uptake. I'd really like more detail

Snowglobes · 05/06/2018 06:36

fish QE2 wow!!!!!
Thanks Light think I’ll get some of those ‘well woman’ supplements.
younger I’ve read about this before reading MM and it’s very basically subtracting the grams of fibre from the carbs and then only counting those carbs. It wasn’t about calculating calories. Only carbs. My fibre intake is very low according to MFP. What are you eating that’s high fibre?
pony that’s still a great loss in 2.5 weeks. I’m guessing the sugars in the alcohol won’t help though - that’s my issue too. Try a week with no booze and see how that goes? I’m happy to loose slower & have a few drinks socially rather than quickly and no drinks. Problem is I’ve been having loads and putting on now!!
Regard meal splitting. I have a couple of coffees with SS milk for breakfast, lunch around midday/1pm then tea with the kids around 6. I try not to snack inbetween.

thenewaveragebear1983 · 05/06/2018 06:57

Morning everyone. Fish your trip sounds incredible!
Younger read the ‘clever guts’ book, it had more detail about how different foods are metabolised. Unfortunately there isn’t much in the way of maintenance, certainly not a sort of ‘reintroduction’ plan where we allow more carbs- I think the reason being this plan is for T2 diabetics, so they have to keep off the carbs or the diabetes returns. This plan is forever really for anyone with T2.

Myself, I have had a really good crack at maintenance very slow weightloss so my suggestions for a maintenance plan would be:
Follow the principles but allow either more daily calories, or a weekly/monthly ‘cheat meal/day’; do a 5:2 approach with 2 fasting days and med style eating the rest of the time; or begin to reintroduce some carbs and keep half an eye on the scales to see if they have an effect. I think the key is though to keep those white carbs off the menu the majority of the time.
Last week on holiday I didn’t count calories and just allowed myself as much BSD food as I wanted at 3 meals a day- no snacks- plus one cheat day. This seemed to have the desirable combination of being easy to do and not feeling deprived, but still working. We’ve a lot of long termers/maintainers in our group and it’s really interesting to hear the struggles they’ve had and how they’ve overcome them.

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