Runners United - Hear Ye! Hear Ye!

[MoshiMoshi]

All ye fine runners who wish to get together to discuss running-related topics, or otherwise, come and join us here. We are a friendly and incredibly supportive group of runners, varying in ability, but all bonded together by a common theme of loving running, committed to squeezing it into our busy lives and wanting to improve our own PBs. So whether you are a full-time mum, part-time working mum, full-time working mum, working from home mum, mum who is studying, or even a dad , add your race to the list so you can be sure of some moral support and advice along the way. And if you aren't racing, don't worry as you can enjoy the race reports and race vicariously.

03/12/11 - Jingle Bells 5k Phoenix Park - rhetorician
11/12/11 - Stockport 10 (mealworm one) -orangehead
01/01/11 - Morpeth 11k Road Race - AngeChica
07/01/12 - Bupa Great Winter Run 5k Holyrood park - bumply
08/01/12 - Southwest Road Runners First Chance 10k - RunningAllDay
22/01/12 - Four Villages Half Marathon (Helsby) - Fannybanjo
19/02/12 - Brighton Half marathon - Wheely
04/03/12 - Milton Keynes Half Marathon - pawsnclaws
04/03/12 - Duchy Marathon - RunningAllDay
10/03/12 - Blackpool Half Marathon - DrNortherner, Fannybanjo
11/03/12 - Cambridge Half Marathon - Futurity, Runnerstipple, Cherry (what have I done??), Bonkers20
25/03/12 - Edale Skyline - (21 miles. 4,500 ft climb) Hatwoman
25/03/12 - Fleet Half Marathon- DebitheScot
25/03/11 - Run Northumberland HM - AngeChica
31/03/12 - Olympic Park Run - wiifitmama, runerstipple
01/04/12 - Reading Half-Marathon - RunningAllDay, Tulip27
15/04/12 - Cambourne 10K - Futurity
22/04/12 - VLM: ibbydibby, AngeChica
28&29/04/12 - Wye Forest 50 (miles!) - RunningAllDay
29/04/12 - Shakespeare Half Marathon - FairyBasslet
27/05/12 - London Bupa 10K - Futurity
09/06/12 - Blenheim Sprint Triathlon - Cherry
29/06/12 - San Francisco Marathon - MoshiMoshi

rhet glad A still being an angel. Did DD1 like her scooter? yes, the lower your heart rate, fitter you are. Lance Armstrong apparently had resting heart rate of around 32! Freaky that is. I await your instructions but I think I'll buy that book. Is it the Parker bible?

Thanks again running for your advice. It's very very helpful.

Debi that does sound a hard circuit class. Miss making a twat of myself attempting push ups...

Really upset today, remember the girl who I thought stole from me? Well anyway, she's having an awful time at home and has been ringing me and texting me which i've had to ignore. I rang her today to tell her I want the truth about stolen items.. In the end she told me she'd taken them and her sister sold them in the market. She was upset and I got a call from her her TA who has been allocated to look after her as she's on at risk register. Her TA was not shocked. Very very dysfunctional family, her TA informed me her dad has been physically abusing her and she's gone back to live with her alcoholic mum. . I can't involve myself or my family which such a damaged child. It will only cause us strain. I'm so that she'd shit on me though. That's what happens when you act a good Samaritan. No wonder people won't anymore. Big Society HEY Davey Cam....

fanny you did your best. Definitely a case where someone with proper resources and training needs to help the poor girl (yes, Dave, that's why this whole Big Society falls down - some people need more than kind-heartedness). You can be sure that you have lots of gold stars next to your name in my book. If only I were God

rhet 5 miles! Yay! A sounds like she's being a star baby - long may that continue...

bonkers that's good, I was a bit worried. And good luck with the bra-hunting, hope you find one that stays up!

the running/fanny convo there is very interesting. I want a HRM and that book now...

I did 14 miles today! Is the longest run I've ever done. TBH tho I didn't so much notice the mileage because the wind was so strong, and there was so much ice about, I was more concentrating on battling the elements than noticing being tired. Now I am khackered! I've told the girls I don't care what they do, so long as they're nice to each other and I'm allowed to sit here and drink tea

oh yes debi hope you do get out.

sticky we have the same parenting manual...have a on lap so one-handed. debi get your arse out there...

Debi I'm the same, running day today but just can't face it. However perfect time to start running club, I'm going to brave it tonight and turn up... . I'll probably be the only person there!!

sticky thank you. . Yes, this Government will do less and less to help the vulnerable and unfortunately it's the children who suffer. Sure Starts closing is one example. What has upset me is that I must have talked to this girl and stressed the importance that she breaks the cycle in her family and is kind and works hard. Somehow I think that genetics are too strong though. She knows nothing else other than evil really and although I was so good to her, she didn't know how to deal with it. She is devastated though but I can't be taken for a fool. Her parents make me froth. I loathe alcohol. The over drinking in this country needs addressing desperately.

HRM very interesting isn't it? I need the book. Need to check with rhet or Runningallday what one to get though.

peach thinking of you today, it must be hard not being able to make the funeral, am sure they understand why.

Weather is vile here. Just vile. Did intervals last night in hale, sleet and icy winds. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger right?

Ds in bother at school for drawing a pair of tits on a mermaid...........

fanny Its Heart-Rate Monitor Training for the Compleat Idiot by John L. Parker Jr.

Debi I hope you get out there too. Do you have terrible weather like possum? I believe there is some more crud arriving, not that that is very encouraging. But today may be better than tomorrow!!

sticky well done you!! I think 14M is a psychological milestone as it is more than a HM...

fanny good for you for trying - its so easy not to.

This upping my mileage thing is wreaking havoc with my diet. I am absolutely STARVING most of the time in a way I haven't been since pregnancy. Off now to cook scampi and chips something nutritious and filling

running we have clear, calm (but cold) weather. I don't actually live in Scotland, I'm about 600 miles away from possum.
I should be able to fit 30 mins in later, have to go today as can't go tomorrow & haven't been since last Wed.

DrN oh no, his own or someone else's? Ds1 brought his science workbook home at the end of last term, and they were doing "living thjings" and had to draw a picture for movement, respiration etc. Ds1's picture for excretion was a little man sat on the toilet with a steaming turd passing out of him and a speech bubble with the words "oh poo!" The teacher had written "a little less detail next time please." ROFL!

fanny - you tried. You didn't fail anyone, you did as much as you humanly could and sadly a combination of shitty upbringing and selfishness ruined a kind and brave attempt. As Larkin said "they fuck you up, your parents ...." - I feel sorry for the girl because clearly hers have fucked her up beyond all recognition, but I also believe in tough love and a parent being a parent, not a best mate. Sounds like her boundaries were so blurred she didn't know the difference and when someone showed her kindness she took them for a mug.

Debi I officially Cannot Be Arsed Today. sat in my fluffy dressing gown after shredding and am NOT going out .....

peach hope today was "OK".

rhet - sounds adorable. More pictures please?!

Just a quickie so sorry if missed anything.
Thinking of you and your dad today peach
Fanny it must be really hard but ar right your family needs to come first. It's a very sad situation though, hope you ok.

peach yes, sorry about your poor dad, especially today. Well our witching hour is clearly going to be around 8 - DD1 playing up at bedtime (attention, dontcha know) and DD2 now clamped to the boob. I am very proud of how DD1 is handling it. I feel a bit in retrospect about how chaotic we were when DD1 was born (my SIL was laughing at us on Monday as we sat down to dinner - last time around 5 weeks I managed to cook a plate of mashed potato that I never actually ate!); wtf were we doing? also must have bored everyone to death, which is why we now have no friends...

fanny yes, I think you should be proud of yourself for trying and for knowing when to draw the line - it sounds like an impossible situation, and I'm afraid that I think that in most cases damage done in early childhood is very very hard to fix.

on the HR thing, the Parker book I like because it allows your to do intense training too. As to heart rate zones, working with them really can improve performance, although different trainers will recommend different amounts of training at the various intensities. For me it's a question of what stresses the body can take - like runnerstipple I can do a lot of very enjoyable mileage at these low intensities, but that means that when I run at the higher ones, I can keep going for longer - I haven't really pushed into the top end of my heart rate yet. runners your max is probably a bit above the one you found on the test. But Kenyan runners (thinks, hopes that m&m is doing OK) do most of their mileage at ferocious paces (then again, they also run a LOT of miles). But I like it, and I have seen improvement: people run differently and respond differently to training.

orange how is your leg doing?

rhet LOL at your uneaten mash!

fanny sorry if you did already say, but how is your cousin doing?

Just been perusing the Plan. monkey in your marathon training, how far did you run? the Plan would only take me to 20 in training, but actually it ends before Sunderland would happen, so I can do the 26 mile "race" as a training run. Then I will be on holiday for two weeks, then 3 weeks up to Sunderland (if I do it). So perhaps I could redo the last 3 weeks of the Plan at that stage. Does this seem like a Plan?

drno if you're around, hope you're OK. Sure you're well used to the Madness of MN, but I was feeling a bit on your behalf at some of the ridiculous comments wide-ranging debate. Interesting I suppose to see what people think (even if it's a bit !)

Thanks everyone. I imagine family are all exhausted to will call them tomorrow to see how it all went.

Rhet, I know what you mean. Feel like we were living in utter chaos last time and it is all quite calm this time, helped no doubt by the fact that K sleeps and sleeps and sleeps all day. She's sleeping now and has this time of night a few times, meaning we've had our dinner without needing to feed at the same time which NEVER happened with DD1. Means we have had more time for DD1 during the day which is nice and although she has been brilliant, she is obviously feeling the change, e.g pissing her pants twice today! Btw, loved the fb photos. Your DD1 and mine have the same green cardigan. Parallel lives!!!

fanny, what a dreadful situation. She is obviously massively fucked
up and needs help, but I think you've done all you can do. You were absolutely right to try to help her, so try not to feel too down about how it all turned out.

Having a little chuckle at DrNo's DS's cheek!

hello running people

fanny I am sorry, fucked up situation not of your making

DrN they had a problem with boobs on mermaid? isn't that wjay they are usually depicted? oh the weirdness

peach I hope your dad was ok today, I hope he has company in the coming weeks/months

rhet lovely pics they are both scrummy

I have not run all week

tomorrow have a delivery one of those all day jobs, Friday is out of the question
I really feel it

interesting talk on HRM i have one, currently out of batteries

sticky the first one I did 20 miles x 2 (then a 3 week taper), the second one I was ill so never got to do more than 17.

Peach hope family ok. Sad time for you all.

Rhet & Peach totally agree that second time around was so much easier than first.....DH and I were totally freaked when we brought DS1 home, the realisation that you are responsible for this new life 24 hrs a day is so scary. Well and truly in at the deep end! DH works as a sales rep and in the early days of DS1, if possible, would pop home unexpectedly to make me a cuppa. Can't remember how the mornings used to pan out but I do remember being very grateful for it at the time. Also remember feeding DS1 in bed at 6am ish some mornings, then falling asleep in bed with him, and not waking up again until after DH had left for work. One morning found a post-it note attached to DS1 from DH, can't remember what it said, but I did think at the time what a stupid thing to do! DS1 could have got it into his mouth & choked/swallowed it.

Peach the only time DS1 (4 years old at the time) ever wet himself at nursery was the day after DS2 was born.

Fanny a sad situation. You tried though.

Ran this morning for first time since last Monday. Nose still snotty, and felt a bit sluggish but good to be out. Very windy and cold, but brilliant blue sky and sunshine - the sort of day when you are glad to be out. Then sat on settee this afternoon, testing an exam question for a colleague (on something I'm not v familiar with so was a bit bored, am ashamed to admit). And FELL ASLEEP! No new baby excuse! Though did a lot of tedious driving yesterday: over to my mums (28 miles) to take her shopping in city (30 miles) then back to mums, then home. So a total of over 100 miles. Am a lightweight.

Have never really thought about heart rate but all this talk of it is making me wonder....

Sticky for my only marathon, my longest run was also 17 miles, as was ill on the day I had earmarked to do further.

I went out. Just the 3.25 miles in 30 mins but was nice to get out. I do like running in the cold. I had a windproof bodywarmer (just a cheap thin karrimore one), gloves and headband, more than I've worn before this winter. The bodywarmer is new and was good as did keep my body warm and has pockets for my gloves.
My shin was a wee bit niggly towards the end and can feel it a bit now, have iced it. Also I forgot my long leggings have the remains of a label that I tried to cut out and it has ripped a chunk of thigh out not at all over dramatic description so I've spent the last hour trying to pick it out of the stitching instead of marking a set of graphs.

Thanks everyone - it's a sad situation for the girl, she's living a destructive life and it'll only transfer itself across to mine. I'm not a Martyr and don't intend to become one to the detriment of my own girls. Their my priority.

rhet I'm so jealous of newborn love. It's amazing feeling (although hard work) and glad you're all enjoying it again. Thanks for advice re heart rate. I'm going to look at book but with me not being able to do more than 4 runs a week, they tend to all be pretty hard ones so not sure it'll work for me.

sticky thank you for asking about my cousin. He's currently on a 3 month trip to Australia and Asia! It was cancer but they've removed it all. He knows it's the anti rejection drugs he takes and nothing he can do. . Wow can't believe you did 14 miles!!! Bloody well done!! Still unsure about GNR membership....

DrNo at DS - he sounds my type of kid!!! Has something happened on MN to bother you?!. Stick to us kid, we're safest option on here.

....,,,

I've been to running club! Fab, loved it. Speedy runners too. Did 8.5 miles at 8.17m/m. They've asked me to do a league race on Sunday. 6 miles. In club vest. I don't know what to do!

peach big hugs to you today Mrs. I thought of your poor dad today.

oh well, it couldn't last, could it? DD2 has been howling pretty much non-stop for about an hour, won't latch, can't comfort her. I suspect over-stimulation, but I really hate this part. Too early for colic, has been feeding pretty much all day - if she does latch she pulls off after a few seconds...the only thing to do seems to be to wait until she exhausts herself - horrible

any advice, all you highly experienced ladies?

Hi everyone. I don't check in for a couple of days and you produce a baby. Many congratulations Rhet - hope things are going ok.

I've been lax on the running front. I need to log into my log book to give myself a kick up the bum - I am horribly behind schedule. Went out for a quick hell sesh this morning and I was nearly blown away. felt like attenborough at the north pole.

two bits of exciting non-running news - we're going ahead with the pony loan - starting in Jan - and I can't wait - she's beautiful and all being well I'll be riding her as well as dd. can't quite believe it. and the other news is I clicked "I accept" on the email about my law course. took me about 18 months of prevarictaing but I've finally done it. gulp. also starting in January.

happy running all

They're my priority not their... My love of Pedantry will fuck me up one day. A Scouse pedant, must be a first. Talking of Scousers, Cilla Black needs drowning in the Mersey. I actually had to turn off Never Mind the Buzzcocks this week and that's rich coming from a scouser.

Tiredness rhet tell DP to take A into a very dark room and put her skin to skin on
the breast and make shushing noises very calmly. Don't rock her or stimulate at all.