What shall we call the return?

[SevenYellowHammers]

Briturn? Britsin? Britback?

or just a big dose of humble pie?

Even if the 'bigger thing' is failing, will cost us a fortune and take us back years?

Yes true, he'd need to win an election.

If it takes ten years to rejoin, it would be 20 years since the original referendum which would still respect the “once in a generation vote” rhetoric.

Are you a Russian bot? 😂

No. Just a UK citizen who can spot the bleedin obvious.

Why join a failing economy that's trillions in debt?
Why open our borders to anyone when most people want to 'stop the boats'

Some people seem to believe it's some sort of socialist paradise.

I think because it’s a union people think it’s all happy clappy. It was set up to stop the different countries kicking the shit out of each other right enough and it has been successful in that to date but it doesn’t seem to be stopping individual countries moving rightward.

Also for the post war domination of France and Germany in Europe. Adenauer also feared the rise of the trade unions, so free movement of workers would undercut wages and lower the chances of strike action. You could bring in cheap labour from weaker economies and cut costs.

Brexinandoutshakeitalllabout

The borders wouldn’t be “open to everyone” there would be movement for people with European Passports but, as it was before, it would be monitored. The small boats problem has got worse since Brexit. I was disappointed by the EU’s response to the refugee crisis when we were part of it. It will get much worse with climate changes and I do believe within the EU UK could work well for a better and more coordinated approach.

Brexit cost a fortune and took us back years.

Was this why Tony Benn wasn’t a fan?

Exactly. Also Jeremy Corbyn, a critic all his political life until he became Labour Party leader.

It’s a market liberalist organisation not a “socialist paradise”

No indeed. Very much not about the workers.

Brenter?

Corbyn’s approach was halfhearted to the extreme.

I was swayed by Leftxit (sp?) myself but in the end couldn’t come to terms with aligning myself with Farage et al.

I had to vote because women fought for the right but I voted Remain with a heavy heart and wished it was a question I hadn’t been asked.

I had no concept of how it would tear this country up economically and socially.

Life long Labour supporter and always will be but they did us a great disservice by not getting behind remain campaign.

Europe definitely isn't perfect.
But; Russia wanted Brexit.
Russia helped engineer Brexit.
Russia spread propaganda in favour of Brexit.
Russia benefits from Brexit.
Russia benefits from a divided Europe.
And Russia, Russia, Russia- Trump.
So if you like democracy, if you don't much like Putin on the one hand and Trump on the other, we're better in.

I think Margaret Thatcher's approach was interesting, she was a huge supporter of the EU for obvious reasons (trade union power, cheap labour etc) but didn't want full economic union, and of course, famously reduced UK contributions. Her reflections on it are interesting.
Yes, it's a right wing project, but Labour, officially always thought it was in the UK's interests. Not those on the Left such as Tony Benn of course.
Many European nations have moved to the Right. We'll see what happens.

Brexit was the culmination of decades of politicians taking us into the EU without a referendum. What the public voted for in the 70s was the EEC - a trading community. We never voted for closer links in terms of justice, defence, immigration, single currency, etc etc. Teresa May was trying to get agreement to get back to something like the EEC but MPs of both parties voted against her, and we ended up with a "Hard" Brexit.

It would be a VERY foolish politician to try to do anything beyond a return to a kind of EEC ie limited to a customs union. They and their party would be out for potentially decades and it would leave a virtual open door for Reform.

France will give all the people waiting at the Calais camps travel documents ( virtually a passport or temporary passport) which will allow them to travel to the UK in the normal ways. Once in the UK, they will 'disappear' into society as they do now - but the volume of people coming over will be huge

France solve their problem overnight!

No wonder they want us back in

You'll also have the Polish gangs moving back in and taking over the drug lines from the Albanians. It will be utter carnage!

The Remoaners don't want to listen to facts.

How has it cost us a fortune when they are 15 trillion in debt and our economy is better then any of their member countries - including France, Germany, Italy?

And we have far better trade deals with the US - and virtually the same trade deals with Japan, Australia, New Zealand, India

There was some analysis that said trade friction had hit GDP. I sceptical about forecasts as I used to work in finance and I’ve never seen an accurate forecast, if the general direction of travel was as forecast that was perceived as a win. I was a remainer and would be again for selfish reasons as it rejoining the EU would probably directly benefit me and mine but the fact that our economic growth has outperformed France and Germany since 2016 is more relevant to me than analysts hypothesising an alternative.

Tixerb

I'd rejoin in a heartbeat.