Brexit MegaThread - part 14

[Peregrina]

Thread 13. We had a debate about whether there should be a new one but if no one answers this the whole series after 8 years plus will come to their end.

Brexit happened, although one time Leavers do not seem to appreciate this.
It's worth noting I think that Brexit was a Tory initiative and the Tory party has just received its worse electoral thrashing since 1832. Could it be entirely unrelated?

What next? A gradual rapprochement with the EU? A Norway style agreement?

Loved that. Thanks for posting. Farage trying to deflect but EB not allowing this. She is a good journalist.

https://xd.wayin.com/display/container/dc/b9844fec-d93f-4810-b8d4-a47eac903853/entry

81% say No

FFS @GlobeTrotter2000 it's basic maths.

What is your previous point going on about? The ranking of stuff has changed. Brexit was the main concern in 2019 as we were still negotiating a deal so it was all over the press.

The economy is now top of the list because public services are getting shitter and shitter, the markets are weak, job opportunities have worsened. This is because the UK is poorer relative to its peers......... because of Brexit. Just Google search it

I don't know how else to explain it to you. Maybe go and have a chat with a maths teacher or better still an economist. All you are doing is looking at what was said then and now. You are not applying context, logic and critical thinking.
You are also forgetting that the Leave campaign continually lied to win the referendum.

How is that?

I spend more time on FWR than any other part of MN and my jaw is fine, though it drops sometimes when I read accounts of the appalling treatment of women in cases like the current Scottish NHS vs Sandy Peggie employment tribunal.

Fair enough. Personally I sit on my hands a lot scrolling FWR.

You know Brexit is a pile of poo when a Remainer happily quotes the Torygraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/02/05/ms-is-still-suffering-from-an-unfinished-brexit/

But there is no finished Brexit. It's going to keep harming us until it's "finished" in terms of being reversed...

In which case there was no finished "being in the EU". Logic doesn't work that way (not that Brexit and logic exist in the same universe).

As far as I am concerned (and more importantly the growing cohort of voters coming up through the demographics are concerned) brexit is done and dusted. There's no more to add to it, and it is what it is. And what it is, is frankly shite.

No one wants to hear about it anymore - least of all people banging on about how it needs to be "improved" or "fixed".

Brexiteers had their chance. They fucked it up, and eventually we will take it back to the shop and get a refund. Obviously we'll lose quite a bit for wear and tear. But mainly because the only thing more useless than a Brexit is a used Brexit.

https://metro.co.uk/2025/02/09/jeremy-clarkson-rips-brexit-biggest-mistake-a-lifetime-22524816/

@Pipsquiggle

You are also forgetting that the Leave campaign continually lied to win the referendum.

you have forgotten the following facts:

Article 50 was triggered on 29 March 2017 by 498 elected MPs for vs 113 against as opposed to the referendum held 23 June 2016 in accordance with UK law as established by the Miller case.

If people thought they had been lied to before the referendum in June 2016, why did their elected representatives, ie MPs vote to trigger Article 50 by such a large majority in March 2017.

In 2018, the EU stated they would accept a unilateral withdrawal of Article 50.

Also, if people thought they were lied to before the 2016 referendum and their elected MPs were wrong to trigger article 50 in March 2017, why did they not vote for the Liberal Democrat’s in the 2019 general election? Such action would have resulted in revoke of Article 50. As such these threads would not exist.

@SerendipityJane

In which case there was no finished "being in the EU". Logic doesn't work that way (not that Brexit and logic exist in the same universe)

Flawed argument. It’s not necessary to be a full member of the EU to trade with the EU. For example, Iceland, Norway and Switzerland, all of whom are geographically close to the EU, have stated they will never be full members of the EU, but can still trade with the EU.

Regards Jeremy Clarkson, it looks like he too does not remember that Brexit was voted in by elected MPs in March 2017 as opposed to those who voted in the 2016 referendum.

He also seems to forget that had the same number of people who voted Remain 2016 had voted for the Liberal Democrat’s in 2019 this thread would not exist.

Based on the above facts, I would change;

Brexiteers had their chance. They fucked it up

to:

Remainers had their chance to cancel Brexit. However, they squandered it by not voting for the Liberal Democrat’s in the 2019 general election.

😂

Only another 60 posts to go before the next mega thread appears.

I wonder what the question will be?

It won't matter, because you'll ignore it and "answer" whatever question you want to anyway...

Exactly. And we will all just raise an eyebrow and move on to the sensible posts.

@Zonder
@Peregrina
@MaybeNotBob
@DuncinToffee
@Pipsquiggle
@SerendipityJane

Your definition of sensible posts, like so many remain supporters, are those which you want to hear.

The OP question was there a link between Brexit and the Tories 2024 general election result on the basis that Brexit happened because of the conservatives.

Both flawed logic and another desperate attempt to create “evidence” that the majority of the UK do not want Brexit.

Tories lost because they did not achieve the immigration targets as confirmed by Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg on QT 28 November 2024. Also, Reform party emerged to punish the Tories for Farages decision to step aside in 2019 to improve Boris’s chances of winning and end of MPs attempt to thwart the vote held 29 March 2017 that UK will leave the EU.

It worked in both cases. Tories won in 2019 and got hammered in 2024 as people voted Reform instead.

Since this thread appeared in July 2024, Nigel Farage has risen to top of the polls. Source gbnews.com 11 Feb 2025.

Maybe this would be a good subject for the next mega thread?

All hail the Nige @GlobeTrotter2000

Maybe this would be a good subject for the next mega thread?

You are allowed to start your own threads @GlobeTrotter2000
Don't be shy.

"Source gbnews.com 11 Feb 2025"

Ah, that most reliable of sources...

This Nigel Farage?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ksz6MtsxgMY?app=desktop

Yes, that Nigel Farage.

"Mr. Diagnosis" as he was recently dubbed when successive interviews showed that whilst he always knew what the problem was, he never had the solution.

Remember the last time he did this ? The problem apparently was "the EU". Which we dutifully left. So how come "the problem" persists. Maybe the problem was Nigel all along. Which was the alternative XTC song from 1981.

@GlobeTrotter2000 stop tagging me. I'm not interested in your repetitive false arguments so won't be reading your posts.

If we are dropping polls, then this one is far more interesting

It shows that the limiting factor for Reform growth is ... Nigel Farage. Not only not appealing to those that haven't yet seen the Farage light, but actively disliked.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51550-how-do-britons-feel-about-kemi-badenoch-after-100-days-of-her-leadership

Tories lost because they did not achieve the immigration targets as confirmed by Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg on QT 28 November 2024.

Amazing how Globetrotter2000 and Rees-Mogg know the reason why every member of the electorate voted the way they did.

They have such knowledge beyond the likes of us mere mortals...