Can someone give me one benefit of Brexit.

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It's going to be 4 years since we withdrew our membership in European Union. Apart from the passport colour (some people might prefer) can anyone name one positive change which happened since then.

Not all immigrants here are on work visas. My dh is an immigrant and he and I run our own business in the construction industry. You'll be relieved to hear I don't pay him any less.

The only things I can think of are: 1. I see nigel farage less, and 2. even though brexiteers will never admit to being wrong, resulting effects of brexit mean they will vote Labour next time round.

Which for someone like me, means I get shittier quality work, less options, and pay more for any building work. I'm sorry but the Eastern Europeans rock compared to our builders. Builders mostly voted brexit cos of this.

Yeah this. Dual nationality is quite cool when the passports do different things.

The U.K. doesn't have enough vets, or enough of our cats annual jabs so I won't have to pay to have ours done until after Christmas.

There are so many shortage occupations now that unemployment is apparently low.

And also somehow there are record numbers of people "not economically acfive" and not "net contributors".

Yes, Skilled workers in shortage occupations can be paid 80% of going rate , but must be paid at least £10.75 per hour.

It put other EU members off doing anything, anything so reckless?

And now we have Lord Cameron back, the man who unwisely gave the first inch.

I suppose that is a benefit, that the Brexit damage to our economy will see the Tories kicked out of power.

Yes, the U.K. is now a cautionary tale.

@verdantverdure I agrée with everything you said but in no way do I agree these sort of threads are helping our country (or anyone except maybe op who loves a bunfight). It's daft pointless and divisive.

Let's start a different conversation accepting that some people were duped, acknowledging that it's bad and looking at ways forward?! Sharing information on any parties that pledge to rejoin etc

My lovely new passport. Although I'm now classed as a third country national in Europe, the beautiful colour more than makes up for it.

Daft pointless and divisive is a good description of both brexit and the tory party.

@jgw1 agreed

Often what happens is the contractor also provides accommodation at a cost to the immigrant workers. So it is more lucrative to employ immigrants rather than British nationals on a number of levels in construction and farming.

it gives the remainers something to harp on & on & on & on & on about, otherwise I can't imagine how bored they would be

I'm sure we'd busy ourselves enjoying a better standard of living. As it is, Brexit has been a complete clusterfuck at a time that we really didn't need it.

I fully accept that people were duped. I watched it happen. Problem is the people who don't accept that they were duped.

In a couple of years we'll rejoin the EU and everyone but the tiny % of fanatics will put it behind us and start rebuilding the damage

If only. Replace your "couple of years" with "couple of decades" and you are possibly closer to the truth.

The EU is not going to entertain any sort of overture from the UK about rejoining until there is not only overwhelming public thirst for it, but both of the larger Westminster political parties are wholeheartedly advocating for it and have rejoin as a clear policy goal.

As things stand, Labour is busy cheerleading hard Brexit because of their desperation to win back the seats lost in 2019, and the Tories are in the thrall of a group of Europhobic right-wing chancers. You are talking the GE after next before anyone even sticks their head above the parapet, and probably 3 of 4 electoral cycles to ensure that the culprits are consigned to history, before either of them about face and admit that that they both lead the UK up the garden path.

If even at this GE no party wants to raise SM then it’s a long haul thing as pp says - Labour still chasing Brexit voters for some reason

Although I’d say the world might feel quite different in terms of people movement by then, and borders too

Have these things been directly related to brexit or are they things that would have happened anyway?
I know the vaccine has been directly related to it (although many say it could have been done anyway) but I don't see how vaccine roll out speed actually benefited the country other than a few people getting a vaccine a bit early than those in other countries.

@arethereanyleftatall this is an ironic post surely?

I'm afraid this isn't quite true though, as we already had control of our borders and we were not governed by any unelected people. We elected our own MEPs, and it would only have taken one vote against any law proposed by the EU to prevent it being enacted. So we only have ourselves to blame. I am partly to blame in this as I didn't ever realise the importance of choosing an effective MEP. That's how idiots like Farage got elected as MEPs I guess, as I am clearly not alone.

Per my earlier post, the UK was doing less than it could have done prior to Brexit under EU rules (so, to be clear, it could have rejected many more entrants than it chose to). QED, if one had been unhappy with the levels of immigration pre-brexit, voting out has handed complete control to the party that was already mismanaging it. As I said, a complete own goal.

I don't think we know whether the majority of the country wanted to leave. The majority of those who voted wanted to leave, but that isn't the same thing.

For something this important, Cameron should have set a higher bar, say 60%. I'm not just saying this as I voted remain, but from the perspective that the majority was so small, that referendum could have been run every day for a week and seen a swing backwards and forwards off the difference. I would have said the same had the result been the other way too.

True, but the OBR predict the impact of brexit on the economy will be 4 to 5 times greater than the impact of covid. Haven't looked at the latest regarding Ukraine.