Can someone give me one benefit of Brexit.

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It's going to be 4 years since we withdrew our membership in European Union. Apart from the passport colour (some people might prefer) can anyone name one positive change which happened since then.

At the end of the day though, the debate is futile. We had a referendum, the majority of those who voted put an x in the box to leave, so we left. That's how democracy works.

We just have to stick it up now. Remainers have to accept it's as shit as we thought it would be, leavers probably have to accept that they haven't got the leave deal they thought they would.

Add to this a weak government, and a weak opposition, and there are some tough times to come. There will always be a few who can benefit, but they are outliers. I've had to accept that my industry has been decimated, the majority of jobs have gone abroad, and that I now have to re-train and start over. Might as well get on with it as I can't change any of it.

I don't think that's quite right

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-damage-uk-economy-covid-b2308178.html

To be fair I haven't looked recently, so they're may well have been updates, especially with Ukraine and Israel.

It doesn't actually make any difference in real terms as the effects are as they are. All I know is that my work went abroad, I have a mortgage to pay and no jobs to take to enable that, so I'm completely fucked. In my case, my situation was 100% caused by brexit, but there will be just as many suffering due to covid related issues.

Ah, so Brexit only inflicted the damage of one pandemic, on the UK. Why weren't people aware of this before the vote? I'm pretty sure no one would actually vote to inflict the damage done by Covid. although I might be wrong and some would vote for a reintroduction of the Black Death if the Tories asked them

So why are people pretending Brexit hasn't been a fucking disaster? And why are they so pissed off when others discuss it?

I mean, let's say it was one hundred times more costly than COVID - so we can demonstrate that we are all on the same page of being at least morally right if not factually 🤷

It's possible to be both morally and factually correct. And I'm glad this thread has plenty of facts, including the one about Brexit costing the same as a pandemic and immigrant workers being legally paid less than British workers.

Did the pandemic cost the UK far more than other countries despite the UKs higher excess death rate than other comparable countries because of Brexit?

Another Brexit benefit is that Lord Cameron is able to be foreign secretary for which we are all very pleased. This would not have been possible without Brexit.

Things aren’t static

I’d be interested in discussion on changing immigration requirements

The last time it came up was a director of an Oxford Institute on population studies who said people seem worried about AI and others worried about ageing population but two groups don’t talk to each other. She was right

We seem woeful at envisaging changes

Well if you are so happy about facts then your hissy fit post is redundant.

You don't know what til it's gone...

May I suggest you start a thread on that then?

No. Well you can but your view is unimportant and I’ll post here.

Brexit is about immigration and changing requirements are relevant even if some can’t see it. Oddly

I thought Brexit was about leaving the EU, but it may well be I was mistaken. Given that the UK government has acted several times to increase migration into the UK dramatically since Brexit, would I be correct in assuming that Brexit was about increasing migration?

What hissy fit post are you talking about? I'm perfectly entitled to throw multiple hissy fits voice my dismay and disgust at Brexit, considering it stopped my local assembly from functioning and the impact that has on every aspect of life in NI.

I get more use out of my Irish passport?

Brexit has always been about immigration, that is using work visas rather than FOM

If we see a switch from labour shortages to AI based workforce it’ll be a different situation.

We have very low unemployment tg but it may be quite different, some EU countries have quite high youth unemployment already

I can’t say I gave it much thought in 2016 but by now at least some people are discussing it, AI changes will likely increase

Well if someone had explained to me at the time that Brexit was about filling workplace shortages in the UK due to our ageing population by encouraging more migration rather than lies about £350million a week for the NHS I might have voted for it.

Workforce required today will be different to AI based one. It’s hard to envisage but it’s relevant

Net migration will change as a result

Imo two pretty fundamental changes will cause migration patterns to be pretty different to what we’re used to - AI and climate pressures

Because the thread title is...can you think of one single benefit of Brexit and I suggested one thing for one group of people that could be a catalyst for further benefits. And apparently this has triggered some, no true remainer could think of one single thing reflex from you.

And you met my minor point to correct a scale of magnitude between Brexit and COVID with a who cares diatribe about Brexiters.

What is with this black and white thinking where an attempt to consider the thread question in a moderate and limited way is the catalyst for this level of drama?

Anyway, I'm out, I'll leave you to your bubble in peace

I would certainly be fascinated to learn how AI will take the role of those in social care giving personal care to the elderly and other vulnerable groups.

I wonder whether both Brexit and Covid could have been 100 times less costly if we had of had a different pm.

I know what the thread title is. I've posted about the benefits from my perspective (my kids are more employable than others in the UK, but i preferred it when they all had the same rights) and those who voted Leave to destabilise the UK (they're well pleased).

That's not black and white thinking. It's exploring it from multiple views.

Anyway, enjoy your hissy fit followed by flounce.

Yes you sound it. I’ll leave you to find out more on AI as you wish. There is more to a workforce than social care though as a pointer

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