Brexit mega thread : part 9 : Winter is Coming

[Chevyimpala67]

Part 10 of our long running thread.

Not sure what to say, really, other than it is worse than I feared.

Strap in, folks. It's gonna be a rough ride...

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Woohoo...

New Brexshit benefits - All customs systems still down. They can't cope with the new numbers...

And just like that my job offer has been withdrawn, apparently due to workload reallocation I'm no longer needed. I'm thinking it's an 'NHS has no money' problem.

Oh well, back to the grindstone.

Sorry @pointythings x

Although ime nhs recruitment is an absolute shitshow

It is indeed an absolute shitshow. I mean, they only offered the job last Thursday. Then chased me for references at a time when everyone is on leave. I got them 2 out of 3 plus all the ID and occy health stuff, couldn't have done more.

The annoying thing is I cancelled another interview because of this job (was on the 10th). I've let them know I am now available and interested, but they may say 'hell no' and I wouldn't blame them.

Oh pointythings really sorry to read this.

Well, maybe this can go some way towards cheering you up...

Sorry to hear that pointy I hope you can get back on the other interview.

Meanwhile, on this thread there seem to be a lot of people identifying Brexit as one of the causes, and a peculiar lack of Leavers denying it.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4711904-anyone-noticed-that-the-quality-of-food-has-declined

Interesting to see that it's unions. not companies that are now responsible for minimum service levels. That's a decade of legal wrangling (and a complete inversion of duty of care) right there.

Buy a ticket from a train company. Instead of being required to actually deliver on what you paid for, they'll just hide behind these laws as a way of evading liability.

Although having said that, listening to Mick Whelan this morning on R4, he was a paragon of reasonableness. I can't see the BBc making many friends there.

Incidentally, this is the only thread on MN that I have any problems with at the moment. Luckily the c'n'p trick still works. Maybe Clav was just ahead ot the curve there ?

So NHS could be sacking staff who refuse to go into work....

You really have to wonder what planet this Government is on.

As the afrementioned Mr. Whelan pointed out to the BBC interviewer this morning, empoyers being able to sack staff for being on strike after 6 weeks is already a thing.

I got the impression this is more about if you - a business
(obviously individual subjects are scum and need to be remimded of this) - lose money because some you paid to deliver a service fails to deliver it, then instead of the company being liable (as is the case under present tort law), the union and it's members become liable. Sort of like a Lloyds names for the proletariat.
A bit like the attempts to sue the NUM in the 80s.

Not too sure I'd want a job in any role that could be subject to those sanctions.
This is the last desperate attempt of the Tories to appeal to an ever-shrinking rump of what would have been core Tory voters. As noted here and elsewhere the tectonic plates of demographics are eroding fast.

This afternoon, come off the phone to friend of mine, very Tory and very Brexit BUT has just had to negotiate what is left of the NHS... 12 hour waits in ambulance, 2 days in a tent in a car park...

Net result, anti Tory and anti Brexit... wants us back in EU... apparently we now need their workers and its been a terrible mistake!!!

Tough, innit?

I hope you reminded them that their previous negative attitudes since 2016 towards immigration, business & public services were entirely responsible

Did you hear the lawyers lips smacking at the litigation these anti strike laws will be responsible for ?

So business A losses money because business B could not provide a "minumum service". However business B wasn't on strike. It was business C who provide a non-essential service to business B which prevented them from delviering to business B.

As it was explained to me: Yes the train drivers may be forced to provide a minimum service. But what if the signalling union goes on strike and prevents the drivers from delivering that service. Or even more fun, the IT support company to the signalling company goes on strike ?

I wish I'd stayed longer - they had only got started.

The concept of a "minimum service" is fraught with difficulty.

What about the A&E Departments operating with around half the "minimum" safe number of nurses - on NON strike days Should the management get sued? After all, technically they're the ones causing service to go below minimum levels?

What if nurses/ambulance drivers/paramedics/train drivers started working to rule? Not staying on for hours after the end of the shift, not doing over time/extra shifts (it's called over time for a reason and so isn't - or shouldn't - be a contractual requirement). Can they be sued for working to their contract , even though the public services fall to pieces if they do so?

A shocking article here, showing how Brexit has already taken us 2/3 of the way towards a Great Depression. But both main parties still support the process that's taking us there...

That was where the discussion was moving as I left 😀 This proposed (lets see how far it gets, a la online safety and Channel 4 sell off) legislation could invert the entire common law concept of duty of care. Something the Lords and Supreme Court will have a field day with. It also shoves a massive spoke into the concept of causation which is also a bedrock of common law. Did Granny Clampit die because she was old and infirm ? Or because an ambulance took 2 seconds longer to get to her than the "minimum service" ? If it's the latter, then gawd help doctors treating patients.

Of course they could legislate exceptions. But like the exceptions for the Psychoactive Subtances Act, they would merely show the law has fuck all to do with justice and everything to do with enforcing the Tory view onto society.
Only 2/3rds of the way to a basket case ? They couldn't even get that right.

Chris Elliot on 'the life scientific' this am (R4) explaining why food fraud is immensely profitable.
Said that we are no longer checking food imports, that the main routes through Rotterdam to the UK have no checks so there will be fraud now. We just haven't discovered it yet, nor do we have anything in place to discover it.
Another Brexit win, the next horsemeat scandal in a shop near you today.

Brexit Freeports

Please read; the most important piece I've written. Mass poisoning has suddenly killed off most sea life for 30 miles by the Tees. The govt claims it's natural; ind scientists warn it's manmade. The govt is desperate not to inquire too deeply as its freeport policy is at stake.

twitter.com/jennirsl/status/1612873215566569473?t=5rf5yZSu-S4AMKwQ_GPLpA&s=19

Brexit, a warning benefit for other EU countries

Latest European Social Survey confirms post-Brexit trends in public opinion across Europe: there has seen a significant decrease in support across member states for the idea of leaving the EU. In some countries, one pollster has called it a “collapse.”

twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1613499419449597952?t=qLnd-d1HS5nFDqoPNWEW7w&s=19

Interesting public statement from Khan - "Brexit isn't working."

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-64248048

It's not going to go away as a topic any time soon.

YouGov Word cloud from Leave voters

And the Leavers don't mention how the NHS was promised £350 million a week, with adverts promising that the care offered would be as good as the best private care.