Brexit mega thread : part 9 : Winter is Coming

[Chevyimpala67]

Part 10 of our long running thread.

Not sure what to say, really, other than it is worse than I feared.

Strap in, folks. It's gonna be a rough ride...

P.S. people need to be paying the real cost of produts but the money needs to be going to farmers, not supermarkets, so pay more, get less and be happy, so long as your money isn't going to a supermarket. Oh and supermarkets should be sourcing worldwide for the cheapest prices, which I'm sure they aren't. No contradition, none at all.
So we should be supporting local farmers but sourcing food from the other side of the world? Have you actually thought about this for more than 10 seconds?

Because they are our laws, made by our lawmakers whom we can change

Can we now.

How are the new constituency boundaries going? That’ll skew the result, as will the new types of ID required to vote, when we have very low voter fraud. Why are those things happening?

Even the ones we fought hard to get introduced? Why?

Because they were made under the auspices of a foreign power.

Ideally, I'd click a button and go back to 1972, before all this absurdity began but since we unfortuantely can't do that and write the whole enterprise off as a disasterous 40 year mistake then I'll settle for removing every EU law we can.

You have already had an example Louise. Note the part highlighted.

If I read you correctly, you are saying that even laws we proposed should be scrapped - which is after all the ERG stance, despite them fawning over Thatcher's memory. Which just seems to be blind zealotry.

I have, you'll be pleased to know.

Peoople with high disposable income and some weird moral scruples about cheap food should be paying more to support farmers in the UK.

While, people who's prinicpal concern is the cost of the food which they put on their table because of how much they have to spend should be paying less because sourcing is worldide and therefore cheaper. EU protectionist nonsense ends and literally everyone wins.

Because they were made under the auspices of a foreign power.

Which 'foreign power'?

You may get somewhere with that arguement post Brexit by arguing that we are now effectively being governed by an alliance of foreign powers because we are now going to be governed by EU agreements if we want to trade with the EU, but have no say in their making any more.

Do you have problems with other Foreign Powers - the USA, China being the main ones. If the country wants to trade with them it will have to comply with their laws and I can tell you that the UK's input into making laws of either country will be zero.

Peregrina. A single market is a great idea, i.e. all of Europe's markets open to all of Europe's (and the world's) producers and makers. A closed European market, protecting European producers from competition, on the other hand, is an awful idea, and so it has proved. Europeans pay more for all sorts of goods and services than they need to.

Europeans pay more for all sorts of goods and services than they need to.

Let's have some concrete examples. 'All Sorts' is just woolly Brexit speak.

The UK is now paying more for 'All sorts' because of the Customs dues imposed. The Cheshire Cheese company sold out to a Swiss rival because the costs made it no longer economic.

No I don't because these are nations.

Nations make agreements with other nations for good or ill and that's fine. What I have a problem with is supra national authorities that aren't NATO. NATO, of course, being an agreement for the common defence of America and Western Europe. I've said this many, many times before on here.

Ideally, I'd click a button and go back to 1972, before all this absurdity began but since we unfortuantely can't do that and write the whole enterprise off as a disasterous 40 year mistake then I'll settle for removing every EU law we can

Well if nothing else, you’ve provided the perfect summary of the delusion and sheer naivety behind it all. You can’t click a button.

OK so an example of paying more, Europe is about to introduce a common standard for USB type plugs, which Apple don't agree too. Do you think the cost of Apple products to European consumers will be more, or less than for American consumers.

European farmers produce far more than Europe needs at far higher prices than could be obtained if European food producers simply obtained the raw materials for their products from the USA, Australia, South America or Africa, European consumers (including British ones up to now) pay a premium because of external tarriffs. This is wrong. Coimpete you fuckers, compete or die.

He won't get that past his party. The lunatic fringes (and @LouiseCollins28 ) will combust.

I feel like I have gone down the rabbit hole reading Louise 's ramblings

@DuncinToffee reading those posts reminds me why I'm an atheist - because that kind of blind zealous belief is horrifying. It obliterates rational thought. I mean, @LouiseCollins28 would scrap a perfectly funtioning law that's on our statute books, which everyone of all parties agrees is working just fine, just because it came to us via the EU and then she would see it replaced with and absolutely identical law which does the same thing. It's madness writ large.

It's utterly mental, isn't it.

No consistency of thought "we must support our farmers", but, because we sold them out with our trade deals with Aus/NZ that's OK, because we have home grown idiot in charge.

I agree, Pointy; This quasi-religious zealotry is as bad, if not worse, than genuine religious idiocy zealotry.

That fact that we have rather too many people like this in our government right now is why the country is in such a state. Louise is, patriotically (!), happy to see the country go down the shitter as long as it's our own politicians that are sending it there.

It's just an incomprehensible mindset to me...

So British food will only be for the rich and everyone else will just have the cheapest stuff shipped in from all over the place? Sounds fair. 🙄

>sourcing is worldide and therefore cheaper

Well it worked for gas, that's why the fanatics allowed rough to be shut down.

Hmm wonder if louise is actually kate andrews?

EU is bad, absolutely no doubt at all. Witness the way they have behaved since we left as evidence. A club you want to be in should make it child play to leave.

It’s not a “club”. And most of the bad faith actions have been on our side, for example with regard to Northern Ireland. A project such as Brexit, based on lies and sustained by lies and chicanery, can only be bad at its core. The EU is far from perfect but its founding intent was for good, and is still evident in much of its constitution and processes. We could have done good things had we remained in the EU. Now, isolated and economically crippled, our agency is eroded and our influence undermined, possibly irreparably.

Exactly what I was thinking Hannibal, pure delusion and confirmation bias.
The brexit sh!t hasn't even really hit the fan yet

EU is bad, absolutely no doubt at all. Witness the way they have behaved since we left as evidence. A club you want to be in should make it child play to leave.
What way they have behaved? I don't know what I'm meant to be witnessing.

@Swissnotswiss Louise means no cake and no deference to 'don't they know who we are' and 'they need us more than we need them'.

I'm not Kate Andrews. I did give brief thought to pretending to be Liz Truss given I managed not to post for the whole of her premiership but I decided that maintaining the ruse would be more trouble than it was worth, rather like Liz Truss, as it turned out. Not a fan.

Meanwhile we have a situation where imports are waved through, no friction for other countries selling to us while…

Full export controls are implemented on what we are selling. Erm, did you think about what that actually means for our economy? Oh. I see.

Its a one way street, and of course we’ll be doing worse in that situation

But hey, we voted for it. Dermocrosaaay.

But hey, we voted for it. Dermocrosaaay.

Absolutely! What could be more democratic than voting for something sold on lies and supported by a hostile country. Yay!