Brexit mega thread 7 : global Britain is looking rather insignificant.....

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I'm sure certain philistine Brexiters will say good riddance to a great British sculptor choosing to get a German passport via his mother, but this article also mentions other consequences of Brexit, in particular the declining role of the UK in the international art trade.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2022/jun/04/antony-gormley-to-become-german-citizen-due-to-tragedy-of-brexit

Jet2 - which seems to have been one of the companies that wasn't too badly affected by the travel chaos because they forward planned - puts the most of the blame for the issues being faced on Brexit

https://metro.co.uk/2022/06/03/jet2-boss-blames-brexit-for-recent-airport-chaos-16762007/

The Express leading teh campaign to rejoin the single market

www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1620196/brexit-poll-rejoin-eu-vote-tobias-ellwood-latest

(They say "latest" but are rather shy about the results).

Ongoing negative effects of Brexit. So while, on occasion, the UK might claim greater "growth" than other countries/regions, it's from a lower base

Letters are in, vote of no confidence tonight 6-8pm

Jesse Norman's letter is a doozie.

....which means that there are at least 55 letters as the threshold was reached last night. Brady says he talked to the PM to let him know yesterday.

As ds has just said, whichever conservative member thought of "conservative Corbyn" may have killed bojo with just 2 words

It would be such a delicious epithet to follow BJ around

It would

It must also delight the 'but Corbyn' crowd on here

Tom Larkin who has been keeping track of letters

^So: 46 MPs questioning PM's leadership
30 calling for him to go immediately
19 confirmed letters - Jesse Norman's this morning the most damning yet.^

Clear that the private numbers are plenty worse for the PM than what we can see in public
t.co/ycH8WKRCj8

Will we get informed of how many letters went in and by whom?

I think that's up to those that sent their letters in, whether they want to go public. Brady is the epitome of discretion.

Yes that's sounds right, just seen it's a secret ballot as well.

I clearly didn’t pay much attention with May.

No we won't know how many letter. Only "more than 54", we will however see how many votes of cofidence/no confidence there are sometime after 8pm tonight.

I hope Boris wins and carries on haemorrhaging support for the Tory party.

I wonder how influential the booing was?

Another point I liked about Norman's letter was his criticism of Johnson's would be Presidential style. This was something which needed saying.

Alistair Campbell's rant on Sky News was epic

....but even he was saying he was torn as BJ staying on would be the worst thing for the Conservative Party.

Indeed. And especially as the UK doesn't have the checks and balances of the US system with its 3 pillars of "power".

In the UK, once a government is formed - especially if it has a decent majority- it's effectively a parliamentary dictatorship

prettybird, that's a depressing graph.

Jesse Norman didn't hold back.

John Penrose, anti corruption man, has resigned. Worth reading his letter too.

Bit ungrateful after all the loot his wife got bunged by Boris.

True. But if the Anti-Corruption Champion - especially one already tainted by association - finally finds BJ beyond the pale, what does that say about how bad the morality and culture of the place is?

Jeremy Hunt has said he'll vote against Boris Johnson.

Those messages of support from the Cabinet ministers have a definite formulaic look.

As I just said to my dad, I think the thread I’ve read by Peston (and Matthew Parris is apparently saying similar), saying that he’s toast whatever the result and that he’ll be gone soon, like May and Thatcher were, is deluded as BJ has no sense of morality or responsibility (to anyone other than himself). He will continue to cling on beyond all sense of logic.

So, if he doesn’t lose the VONC tonight, even if he only “wins” by one vote, he’ll stay on and try to brazen it out.

I could even see him calling a snap election. He would need to move himself to a “safe” seat as he’d lose in his current constituency. But the prediction for Tiverton suggests there is no such thing as a safe seat

He still thinks that sound bites like "Oven Ready Deal" even if they're lies will win round the public The latest one is "The Public just wants us to move on".

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