Brexit mega thread 7 : global Britain is looking rather insignificant.....

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if he is then he's lost before he's out of the gate.

The Single Market puts the EU in charge:
- EU rules

It does now of course because we have left the EU.

We need a deal British people control not foreign laws with no say.

OK tell us what that deal looks like. The chances are that there would have to be some give and take, and this doesn't mean that the UK does all the taking, which is what the Brexiters thought it would be.

Actually silly me, Tugenhat was admonishing Tobias Ellwood wasn't he! Whoops. I was thinking you'd suggested Ellwood was starting a leadership challenge and would be a no-hoper.

I thought you were about to do a u-turn there Louise.

Do you agree JRM's brexit benefits?

If it's the list I saw best for britain tweet out then mostly yes. Quicker qualification for medical professionals is 1 from their 9 that I really don't agree is a benefit (or a good idea at all) but the other 8 all looked fine to me. A tad underwhelming I'd say but fine as far as they went.

More powerful electronic devices, simplified holiday calcs, people being able to drive bigger vans without a special licence, early use of experimental treatments, etc all sounds pretty OK to me.

"More powerful electronic devices" - I presume you mean electric devices. But it won't happen, or they won't be able to export them to their nearest market. And the limit was 1600 anyway, not 1400...

"simplified holiday calcs" - This is simply incorrect anyway.

"people being able to drive bigger vans without a special licence" - You're happy for unqualified people to be driving much larger vehicles around your children? Like most Brexshitteers you don't think things through to consequences.

"early use of experimental treatments" - Not an area I'm familiar with, but I suspect there will (and should) always be limits to this, and it wouldn't surprise me if there already were possibilities for this.

So, wow, that's really worth screwing the entire economy, massively increasing the cost of living crisis, reducing people's rights etc. for...

As someone who used to work in health research the idea of early use of experimental medication is a huge red flag. The safeguards were put there for a reason. They should not be rolled back. It is already possible to accelerate if a new medication is proving transformational in Phase III and IV trials. Further watering down of the safeguards are not needed.

Extra training and qualification for people driving large vans is not a bad thing. It is a road safety thing.

More powerful electronic devices are unnecessary and bad for the environment.

Holiday calculations can readily be programmed - you don't even need more than an Excel sheet.

The Brexit readers of the Express have shown both their ignorance and their true colours.

Car drivers were (as I'm sure you know) allowed to drive vehicles of up to 7.5 tons with just their car licence, situation that existed for decades with no issues. Now the limit is 3.5 tons. Great rules if you are a firm of professional removals people, a bit shit if you are literally anybody else.

www.commercialmotor.com/news/dvla-warns-7-5-tonne-entitlement-no-longer-vailid-without-driver-cpc

LouiseCollins28 roads are a lot more congested these days. Traffic is faster. The world has changed. What worked back then doesn't work now - unless you genuinely think that rule was brought in just for funsies.

No. As I've literally just suggested, it was brought in to force people who otherwise would be perfectly capable of doing a relative's house clearance or moving their own stuff from one home to another to pay for a service which they previously no need to pay for. That's what the modern world does, repeatedly, and it should be resisted at every turn.

A 7.5 tonne vehicle is very, very different from a car. It handles, turns, brakes and accelerates differently. I will feel less safe knowing that anyone with a B licence will just be allowed to hop in one and get on the road.

people being able to drive bigger vans without a special licence, early use of experimental treatments, etc all sounds pretty OK to me.

I was one of those. Not now I suppose being over 70, and quite frankly, it was a pretty stupid idea then, and with the traffic on the roads now, even more stupid.

"early use of experimental treatments"

Yep, also old enough to remember the thalidomide scandal. No thanks.

At one time, Pre war, people didn't even need a licence to drive a car. They just bought a car and off they went. Should we bring that rule back too?

How about scrapping the drink-driving or seat belt regs. too? These rules were brought in because of the high number of deaths and injuries on the road.

Not aware that either the drink drive laws or the seatbelt ones have been proposed to be changed. If they have then no to both IMO. People should have to take a driving test and FWIW there should be one hell of a lot more road policing and enforcement action.

But why not scrap them while you are about it?

Do you know how big a 7.5 ton truck is?

Yes it's all very well going on about 'elf & safety gone mad' and wanting a bonfire of regulations. I recall that the Fire regs. for London were watered down by Eric Pickles. That went well didn't it, when the avoidable tragedy of Grenfell happened.

As someone who could and did drive a 7.5 tonne lorry to move house, I'd say it's madness to allow anyone with a car licence to drive one. It's dangerous, nothing like a car or light van, the sheer difference in volume taken up on the road requires extra training. Anyone who supports this move either has never driven one so doesn't understand the differences, or is a cult.

Do you know how big a 7.5 ton truck is?

Or how much it ends up weighing when fully laden? I consider myself a good driver but there’s no way I’d want to drive something that size- it just wouldn’t be safe.

Reality is that much of the Brexit “freedoms” involve sacrificing safety and quality standards for the average person, so that large business owners can maximise profits.

Another benefit touted was the ability to have higher powered e-bikes. If you’ve ever ridden one you’ll know they’re already powerful and more than fast enough. Many places have problems already with de restricted e-bikes and electric mx-bikes. We really don’t need to add to these problems by adding more power and speed.

To those complaining, you might not want to regain a freedom you once had, but other people might?!

What I'm suggesting here costs business owners, it would create opportunity for others but it costs those who currently have a monopoly. That's good, or it should at least be understood to be good in a free society.

Not ridden an e-bike but they ought to be treated like e-scooters, i.e. illegal to ride on the road, illegal to ride on the pavement. Bascially "use it on your own land only" or GTFO. However, since they are legal, that's not a judgement I agree with but one I need to accept.

E-scooter carnage to come

eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2022/05/uk-legalises-electric-scooters-despite-40-per-cent-jump-in-accidents/

Reality is that much of the Brexit “freedoms” involve sacrificing safety and quality standards for the average person, so that large business owners can maximise profits.

Many of which were hard won. It won't affect the Rees-Moggs of the world, who isn't likely to soil his hands with a hard days work though, so it doesn't matter.

Many of which were hard won. It won't affect the Rees-Moggs of the world, who isn't likely to soil his hands with a hard days work though, so it doesn't matter

Look at the state of our rivers and beaches now. It took many decades of cleaning up and now we’re free to use them as sewage dumping grounds once again. Swimmers and Surfers regularly getting sick. These are the realities of Brexit deregulation.

Louise seems to think that freedom is more important than safety, common sense and the common good. Terrifying.

As I said, a cult.

Was the limit on vehicle weights an EU one ? I'd greatly appreciate an expert like @LouiseCollins28 input on this.

www.aboutcampbtob.eu/public-hearing-for-an-upcoming-amendment-of-the-european-driving-license-directive/