Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot

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Well getting to a 1000 posts didn't take too long so here we are.... everybody welcome!

@Lonelycrab

I spoke to a friend who’s in that area, he’s now having to boil his water. Hadn’t thought it might be to do with chemical shortages.

It really is the gift that keeps on giving! Tainted waiter, yay!

Just another example of the EU punishing the UK for leaving.

Probably Jeremy Corbyn is involved too.

I remember tainted water supplies being project fear too.
I'm one of the nutty preppers who has a few bottles of drinking water, some purifying tablets, a maintained water butt and a consistently used and refilled big barrel of water. Just in case. I'm glad of them now!

I have water purification tablets. Bought them in case the electric was off and the water was tainted. My family thought I was nuts at the time.

A few days ago I saw someone at the grocery store buying a huge amount of bottled water as in massive and idly wondered why… Now it just looks precautionary. How do we know which water supplies are affected?

Dr it’s only the Surrey/Kent border area afaik. Still, that area is mainly full of the liberal elite so who cares

promises are dangled like jewelled gonads
@Jason118, if that’s a phrase of your own invention, you are a poet, sir.

I remember us discussing potential problems with water purification on a Westminstenders thread and me smugly saying I’m OK as I have a private water supply.
However, I have to replace the UV bulb in my domestic purification system each year and the bloody thing costs about £100, so it’s not an entirely cost free operation. (Filters are replaced every 12 weeks or so and I get a plumber in to do it each time, as well as to replace the bulb which is horribly fragile.)

voters didn't belive or understand how Brexit was going to harm them, their families, their communities, their country economically

I completely agree that the Remain campaign was utter pants. Not because it didn’t talk about the economic impact though. It did. Repeatedly.

However, at that point, people just didn’t care about something as abstract as ‘the economy’ vs the emotional rush of giving it to the bullying EU and reclaiming a nostalgic rose tinted that never existed Empire taking back control.

Brexiteers were very clever using their own project fear (immigrant hoards / Turkey joining the EU / EU army etc primed by a willing press) whilst shrieking project fear at Remainers.

But remember that when polled, BeLeavers absolutely said they were willing to leave even if that meant suffering economic harm themselves or their families did.

Thanks Lonelycrab. I’m Midlands. Hopefully he doesn’t work for Severn Trent and knows something the rest of us doesn’t

I know threats to water supply were talked about - we also prepped for that and I have a big old Berkeley water filter sitting in the kitchen as a result - but the chemical shortage that led to recent deregulation I thought was about relaxing the rules on how treated the water being discharged into watercourses needed to be. It's not clear from anything I've read yet on the Surrey incident how its arisen - we do occasionally get incidents like this anyway don't we?

Exactly DrBlackbird. I remember feeling very sad seeing the results of this survey the year after the referendum.
Perhaps those voters are realising they’re not as prepared as they thought they’d be to accept economic hardship. It’s different when it’s actually hitting you in reality.

Of course nobody wants anyone to suffer, but I do think it was well-predicted and publicised.

Brexit voters are willing for the British economy to take "significant damage" from leaving the EU, even if it means their own family members losing their jobs, a new poll has found.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/yougov-poll-leave-voters-happy-for-relatives-to-lose-jobs-over-brexit-2017-8%3famp

Love this thread! Learned and laughed a lot. Really enjoyed the post about meritocracy. Flowers to you all! (From my own garden)

[quote HesterThrale]Exactly DrBlackbird. I remember feeling very sad seeing the results of this survey the year after the referendum.
Perhaps those voters are realising they’re not as prepared as they thought they’d be to accept economic hardship. It’s different when it’s actually hitting you in reality.

Of course nobody wants anyone to suffer, but I do think it was well-predicted and publicised.

Brexit voters are willing for the British economy to take "significant damage" from leaving the EU, even if it means their own family members losing their jobs, a new poll has found.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/yougov-poll-leave-voters-happy-for-relatives-to-lose-jobs-over-brexit-2017-8%3famp[/quote]
Exactly. Nobody can say they weren't warned. How has Project Fear entered the lexicon if they weren't warned. They just didn't give a shit or were to stupid to realise it might actually affect them and what that would feel like.
My attitudes have hardened over the years and I'm done with the pandering. Quite glad to be out of it tbh. (now have EU citizenship where I live).

The most that we could say perhaps is that back in those heady days of 2016 and even up to 2019, no one really knew what Brexit was or meant.

So I could have some sympathy for perhaps people believing that somehow we’d stay in the single market / CU but still kick out the foreigners and regain control.

Remember when Nick Clegg said People don’t vote for economic self-harm, yes they vote on immigration, identity, they don’t like fussy bureaucrats in Brussels

BUT … all my sympathy vanished when the Tories got their stinking great majority in the 2019 election. It was clear at the point that we were heading for the hardest of hardest Brexits. For gods sake, Johnson kicked out Soames, the grandson of Winston Churchill, who served as a Tory MP for 37 years simply because he was against a bloody no-deal Brexit.

I would feel sorry for those who voted against their own rational economic interests based on feelings (resentment, fear, hoping to screw over French fishermen) except that they’ve take me and mine down with them.

And despite being told over and over and over again that it would be economic suicide and even bloody JRM said that it would take 50 years to feel the economic benefits. Long after many of us will be long gone and my own DC will be pensioners…

Regarding the remain campaign I feel really guilty not to have worked harder for it. I have spoken with many friends and we all felt the same. Before the referendum we thought it was impossible that Leave would win. Many of us had some kind of platform and we could have done more.

After the referéndum we all campaigned and went to demos but it was too late by then.

I really wish I had not been so naive because the benefits of being in the EU were so obvious to me, but clearly not to others. I wish I had spoken up more.

but the chemical shortage that led to recent deregulation I thought was about relaxing the rules on how treated the water being discharged into watercourses needed to be.

Yes, I thought that as well.

UPDATE: Precautionary boil water notice could be lifted tomorrow [Saturday]. Tom Kelly, SES Water wholesale director, said:

Following a positive result for E-coli from one sample at our Westwood Water Treatment Works on Thursday, we put in place a precautionary boil notice for customers whose mains water is supplied from the site...

We apologise for the inconvenience and concern this may be causing to some of our customers, but it was the right thing to do, based on the information available at the time.

I am pleased to say that through our investigations over the last 24 hours, involving sampling and analysis of water quality throughout the area covered by the precautionary boil notice, there is no indication of contaminated water leaving the treatment works.

We are awaiting final confirmation of this with a third set of tests...

@borntobequiet all my own work, just need a stanza to go with it

Morning all-time for an oldie but goodie..

Out of interest Clav is this what you expected out of Brexit? Would you be happy to vote Leave again if it meant following the exact same path (all of it) knowing what you know now?

Panic among Tories as ministries report supplies of excuses running low:

amp.ft.com/content/ddecf186-0414-42a6-8828-c7ae73b8ad60

twitter.com/robertshrimsley/status/1446423490702237697?t=qjTjf9deucpAW3sO0OzOOA&s=19

we do occasionally get incidents like this anyway don't we?

Indeed. Our EU neighbours a few weeks ago:

Irish Times - 20 September 2021

Q&A tainted water: What happened at two treatment plants?

Problems emerged at Ballymore Eustace in Kildare and Creagh in Gorey, Co Wexford.

But was this just another alert without any real problems?

No, a lot of people became ill. According to the Health Service Executive at least 52 reported illness, but the real number would be difficult to ascertain...

Dublin was not affected but GPs in Gorey began to notice some nasty gastroenteritis-like illness...from early September. And because e-coli is involved...

But how could this happen?

Well in the case of Gorey, it followed a power failure and a chlorine pump failure...Ballymore Eustace produced unsafe drinking water for up to 10 hours in August due to the loss of a cryptosporidium treatment barrier compounded by inadequate disinfection.

Irish Water has apologised but has also made clear that there was an inexplicable reporting delay by Wexford County Council staff on the ground.

www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/q-a-tainted-water-what-happened-at-two-treatment-plants-1.4679127

Yes and there were problems once in Camelford when some chemical was poured into the wrong tank, causing severe pollution to the drinking water, with deleterious health effects. Just thought you would like this - its no more relevant than Clavinova's cut and pastes.

My understanding is that the rules on treating the water supply have been relaxed under an emergency clause, because the chemicals usually sourced from the EU for the purpose are in short supply. That is the emergency.

So all the usual polluters are now busy pouring untreated sewage into the rivers and sea.

" There's only a bit of E coli in the water supply" sunlit uplands indeed

Clav has yet to map out the sunlit uplands and the road ahead as an ardent Brexiteer but instead indulges in whataboutery, deflection and irrelevant analogies. Until an alcoholic admits they have a problem then there is no solution.

"I am a Brexiteer and I have a problem and I need help" - utter those magic words Clav and we will reach out to help with a warm sisterly embrace.

"I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance."

DrBlackbird
Out of interest Clav is this what you expected out of Brexit? Would you be happy to vote Leave again if it meant following the exact same path (all of it) knowing what you know now?

Yes, I would vote Leave again - but of course I would change some things. Would you vote for Labour's Iraq War?

Can you not find any joy in your life? Plenty of people do;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-58772404