Brexit Megathread - Part 2 because it's not over by a long shot

[vera99]

Well getting to a 1000 posts didn't take too long so here we are.... everybody welcome!

vera99

You didn't enjoy your weekend away then? That's a shame - I enjoyed mine.

Anyone still stupid enough to support this clusterfuck is beyond help, due to stupdity, hatefullness or both.

No Clav the question was…

Would you be happy to vote Leave again if it meant following the exact same path ( all of it )

Or to put it another way, is this the Brexit that you voted for?

FWIW, we didn’t get to vote on entering the Iraq war but I was completely against doing so and everyone could see that WMD were utter nonsense. And funnily enough I am capable of both enjoying my life and feeling despair at the shitshow of our government and for those really suffering from their grotesque incompetence.

So all the usual polluters are now busy pouring untreated sewage into the rivers and sea.

Probably not:

8 September
A government spokesperson said: "This action is strictly time-limited and there are robust conditions in place to mitigate risks to the environment.

"The most sensitive and high-risk watercourses will not be affected and any company planning to make use of this short-term measure must first agree its use with the Environment Agency, which will be checking compliance."

The government also said no water company had yet made use of the notice.

deframedia.blog.gov.uk/2021/09/08/regulatory-position-statement-on-wastewater-treatment/

Oh, that's me convinced then

*DrBlackbird
No Clav the question was…
Would you be happy to vote Leave again if it meant following the exact same path (all of it)

I would not have picked Theresa May for Conservative Party Leader/PM - we needed a Leave backing PM from the start.

I did enjoy it it was an alternative music weekend at Butlin's - plenty of fuel in Lincolnshire as well. Tom Robinson did a brilliant new intro to his Power in the Darkness monologue incorporating Brexit you will be pleased to know - he's 71 as well!

Back here in Welling still out of fuel thanks for that.

I imagine gov.uk is full of E. coli.

Oh and for the record I was totally against Blair's Iraq War hammer and fist and went on the 2 million march. He's a war criminal in my book, same with Cameron in Libya.

Back here in Welling still out of fuel thanks for that.

I think you can thank the media for that - or perhaps the Road Haulage Association - who were accused of leaking information from a meeting concerning a small number of BP garages.

Always someone else's fault never the government. Funny that except it's not.

All welcome at the desperation disco, leave your empathy and critical faculties at the door. Not applicable to those who have neither, obvs.

I also went on the march against the war in Glasgow and am proud to have done so. Did it with dh and my parents.

I reckon the numbers were at least double what was reported. We were still queuing to leave Glasgow Green, which was still full with more people still turning up when the front of the march had filled the (large) car park at the SECC 3 miles away along a wide road - and yet they claimed that there were only 15,000 people there I've run the London Marathon and know what 35,000 people look and feel like.

I remember seeing a letter in the The Herald a wee bit later explaining the discrepancy: the police had staffed for "x" amount; ergo only "x" amount or less had turned up

@vera99

Always someone else's fault never the government. Funny that except it's not.

You can bet your life that if anything good happens, it will only be because of the government.

[quote HesterThrale]Exactly DrBlackbird. I remember feeling very sad seeing the results of this survey the year after the referendum.
Perhaps those voters are realising they’re not as prepared as they thought they’d be to accept economic hardship. It’s different when it’s actually hitting you in reality.

Of course nobody wants anyone to suffer, but I do think it was well-predicted and publicised.

Brexit voters are willing for the British economy to take "significant damage" from leaving the EU, even if it means their own family members losing their jobs, a new poll has found.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/yougov-poll-leave-voters-happy-for-relatives-to-lose-jobs-over-brexit-2017-8%3famp[/quote]
Yep. My family all voted brexit despite DH being a British scientist working in the EU on EU research projects. They knew full well that it would be devastating for us but they didn't care. They'd also deny till the cows come home that racism was behind their vote but knowing them very well, it absolutely was.

They'd also deny till the cows come home that racism was behind their vote but knowing them very well, it absolutely was.

They don't need to deny it now. Boris has stated quite openly that it was the reason for Brexit. And voting Tory in 2019 proved it. About the only truth he has ever told.

I'm reminded that people voted for the Nazis (and history shows they didn't anyway) for their environmental policies. Or so they said.

Hows that Tory Party Uniform coming along ?

My sister and brother in law oop north voted Brexit. Only found out when after the vote I was on a rant and they said "Vera it's not just about London you know" - that was me told. Both bitterly regret it now. they genuinely believed that it would make things better and hadn't thought it through and were taken in by all the Facebook lies that were being peddled at the time.

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I would use the word scum for those that produced that material above because that's what they are.

Ah, yes, the ever-German Gisela. At one point my MP. Had the nerve to try and muscle in on a protest to save our local post office she had voted to close.

I don't think she likes me very much. And that public outing never appeared on her carefully curated website.

She's gone quiet of late. Or reverted to speaking German. Pretty much the same in jolly old Blighty.

(I often wonder about the optics of a Briton settled in Germany trying to pull Germany out of the EU).

DrBlackbird

"is this what you expected out of Brexit?"

I don't think in 2016 I could have forseen the situation the world found itself in in 2020 and continues to grapple with. Trying to isolate the "effects" of Brexit from everything else is very hard IMO but some "expecations" might help.

• Did I expect the process of leaving to be so tortous? No I didn't.

• Did I expect the block we'd just left to try and defend the interests of its members - clearly yes.

• Did I expect the UK government to try and defend the interests of our country - clearly yes

All those things create conflict, as we've seen.

Did I expect more progress on trade deals with other nations? Undoubtedly yes but 2 factors constrained this IMO, a) COVID and b) the US Presidential Election result from 2020.

Between June 2016 and 31 Jan 2020, businesses, citizens and organsations of every shape and size had 3.5 years to prepare for Brexit, if they couldn't progress towards the new situation in that time, that's largely on them IMO.

The media, for one, in my opinion still don't get it. Every time they put on a representative from this sector or that sector those people should be questioned.

"You've had 3.5 years, what have you been doing?", "How much margin/extra people/spare capacity have you got to take account of X factor..?? and you're in trouble now? Well that's not enough then is it?!"

So what have I got that I expected, more UK investment, yes. Higher wages, yes. Fewer EU workers in Britain, yes. UK population growing more slowly, yes.

"The UK population's growth rate from mid-2018 to mid-2019, at 0.5%, was slower than any year since mid-2004." ONS

There are many, many things I'm still waiting for. I'm sure the EU and Britain would have progressed further were it not for COVID but this is the world as it is, the one we all actually live in.

Would you be happy to vote Leave again if it meant following the exact same path (all of it) knowing what you know now?

Yes, absolutely.

Rather odd to assume that Remain posters on this thread were in favour of or even voted for (impossible) the Iraq war, or don’t have any joy in their lives. Because that’s absolutely not what comes over in thousands and thousands of posts since 2016. It’s almost as though no proper attention is paid to what is said, except to refute specific points.

That’s very disappointing LouiseCollins28

And it’s all very well putting the blame on businesses, saying they had all that time to prepare, but they had no idea what they were preparing for. The government was astonishingly unhelpful, if I remember correctly.

Also, the fuel crisis is totally the fault of the government. They told us that there was no fuel shortage and no need to panic buy. As it’s well established now that they’re a bunch of liars, is it any wonder that nobody believed a word of it and everyone went out and bought fuel?

Were the detailed terms of Brexit been known for 3.5 years? That's a genuine question. I was under the impression that many sectors asked for guidance but weren't given anything substantive to base decisions on. Or issues were raised and were ignored.

When higher wages arrive what will happen to inflation?

So basically fuck business those that keep the lights on, food from our farms and on our shelves. There was a time when the conservatives realised that a healthy economy paid the bills of the country but they're not conservatives anymore but an unhealthy populist cult run by a proven liar and charlatan who makes up policy on the hoof and starts fires almost for the hell of it.

Racism is the dirty beating heart of Brexit that got it over the line and that continues deep in the heart of its mutant DNA whatever the sophistry of educated apologists would have us believe.