Westminstenders: Put Your Faith In The Home Office

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Because there doesn't seem to be a new thread yet. I'm no RTB or any of you other experts, but these threads need to keep going.

Give me a couple weeks and I'll be able to post cat placemarks!

DGRossetti

I know I'm not 'dim' - a bit pointless you keep posting that.

This is Money Seems to be a Mail online website

So presumably you object to Clair Fox also, Clavinova?

The thread has almost finished, without the benefit of a dozen pages of C n P.

So presumably you object to Claire Fox also, Clavinova?

Was she convicted of conspiring to cause explosions and sentenced to life in prison as well? Although I'm not keen on communists or IRA sympathisers I have to say.

@Clavinova

DGRossetti

I know I'm not 'dim' - a bit pointless you keep posting that.

I never said you were. And no one else read that into my comment either.

I do admire your dedication to the dim though. Spoon feeding them cut and pastes they'd otherwise miss without pictures.

This is Money Seems to be a Mail online website

Reuters have the same export news although I have reached my free article limit so just the introduction here;

LONDON, July 9 (Reuters) - British goods exports to the European Union rose to their highest since October 2019 in May, official data showed on Friday, reversing a slump at the start of 2021 when Britain exited the bloc's single market and customs union.

www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-still-imports-more-outside-eu-than-bloc-gap-narrowing-2021-07-09/

The definition of sovereignty I gave is from the Oxford Dictionary. Nothing to do with me or empires. And it is important to me that we were net contributors to the EU despite wewereliars saying otherwise.
I think a sovereign country should have control over all of its money. The other organisations are completely different as you all well know.

"Job done!" 💦

All we well know is that if the other organisations had Europe in their names the Brexiters would boycotte them on principle.

Rather like a couple of Tory Politicians who decided to boycott the England football team, and have now cut off their noses to spite their faces.

I think a sovereign country should have control over all of its money. The other organisations are completely different as you all well know

Don't we have to commit to 2% of GDP defence spending as part of being in NATO ?
Whilst not a legal commitment, its certainly one that we are obliged to up hold, regardless.

Oh and we have to go to war in support of (for example) Georgia, should the Russians invade, that is set in stone.

Now with the geographical knowledge of the current Cabinet, they will probably be flummoxed as to how the Russians could invade an American state.

Jasjasthe 2% to the defence budget is to defend us. NATO will defend the UK if necessary. And we spend it ourselves we don't hand it over to somebody else. Try again😉😇

Perhaps your geography equals that of the Cabinet, foxandcubs. If Russia did invade Georgia, it will hardly affect the UK.

@foxandcubs

Jasjasthe 2% to the defence budget is to defend us. NATO will defend the UK if necessary. And we spend it ourselves we don't hand it over to somebody else. Try again😉😇

You can put caveats in as much as you like but we have to spend that money whether we like it or not and are also tied into buying NATO standard equipment. Georgia is far far more likely to be attacked than the UK, which almost certainly would involve most of Europe being attacked too, making the NATO art 5 promise for the UK a bit pointless.

Of course there are benefits to NATO membership, just as their are to EU membership, unfortunately, you are so inspired by leaving the influence of the ECJ (so you think) that you are blinded to this.

So if Canada is attacked, then the fact that the UK is obligated by its NATO membership to come to its aid if requested is not a diminution of its sovereignty but membership of the EU is?

What about an attack on Albania?

Or Turkey?

Or does a signing a treaty making such a commitment not actually mean having to follow through?

We no longer having to pay far more into the EU than we got back and even when we got a small amount of it back they dictated what we could spend it on. We now have total control over all of our money. This is a major gain of Brexit. So is the new immigration system. 😉 job done.!

Repeating the nonsense doesn't make it any more credible, you know.

It just suggests you are copying slogans from some pamphlet.

@Clavinova,

Pity that England has no Martina Anderson

I'm rather glad we don't;

You do in fact have Martina Anderson. NI is a part of the United Kingdom.

mathanxiety

I'm rather glad she doesn't grace us with her presence in the House of Commons - which was the point I think.

Well despite everything she certainly held frost to account and we need people prepared to do that in the opposition party.

I don't think that was your point Clavinova. I think you are trying to talk your way out of it.

You are not alone in apparently thinking that NI is not part of the UK - Johnson and Frost also thought the same.

Or does a signing a treaty making such a commitment not actually mean having to follow through?

In Johnson and cronies terms - Yes.

More Irish/Brexit news - I hadn't noticed this before:

23 June
Irish [ROI] fishermen take trawlers to central Dublin in Brexit protest.

www.reuters.com/world/uk/irish-fishermen-take-trawlers-central-dublin-brexit-protest-2021-06-23/

www.euronews.com/2021/06/23/fishing-flotilla-sails-to-irish-parliament-in-protest-of-post-brexit-quotas

In contrast, the Conservatives did well in the recent council elections in Cornwall -

www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news/19290063.cornwall-conservatives-take-county-hall-election/

I don't think that was your point Clavinova. I think you are trying to talk your way out of it.

You quite clearly said England.

Many former terrorists go on to help heal divided nations, Adams McGuiness, even Mandela.