Westminstenders: Put Your Faith In The Home Office

[pointythings]

Because there doesn't seem to be a new thread yet. I'm no RTB or any of you other experts, but these threads need to keep going.

Give me a couple weeks and I'll be able to post cat placemarks!

"It's amazing what the promise of ennoblement does to your core beliefs "

The Brexiteer elite have no scruples when it comes to matters of expediency.

The Oxford dictionary definition of sovereignty is "The authority of a country to govern itself or another country." 🇬🇧👍😄We no longer having to pay far more into the EU than we got back and even when we got a small amount of it back they dictated what we could spend it on. We now have total control over all of our money. This is a major gain of Brexit. So is the new immigration system. 😉 job done.!

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Maybe check your facts foxandcubs thanks to the rebate Thatcher secured the UK was a net beneficiary while in the EU.

We were never a net beneficiary. They just paid us back what they owed us.

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Seriously though, I presume that foxandcubs , if he or she is being consistent, will also demand that the UK leaves all of the following: the UN, the ECHR, the WTO and NATO as they all involve ceding elements of so-called "sovereignty"

I presume too that he or she will demand (again to be consistent ) that the UK stops paying into the IMF and the World Bank.

The Council of Europe will have to go too.

Essentially, in order to maintain the UK's pristine "sovereignty", the UK should pull up the drawbridge, function in splendid isolation, be totally self-sufficient and give up on any world influence

I suspect that foxandcubs' consistency will involve re-establishing the Empire...

But being a member of an organisation like the EU isn’t undertaken in order to become a net beneficiary in a strict financial sense and it’s odd to think of it in that way. The benefits are to do with stable or expanding markets, seamless trade as a result of legislation, the flexible supply of labour through freedom of movement (and this has been very advantageous to our economy, if not to our native workforce), the ability to negotiate and resolve political solutions more easily (eg GFA) and many many more.
This is one reason why the £350 million for the NHS on that bus was such a many layered (and inspired) lie. It obscured, for the hard of thinking, the reality of what could be lost by giving them a pie in the sky untruth to vote for.

Brexshiteers don't do nuance though. It's beyond them

@HannibalHayeski

I suspect that foxandcubs' consistency will involve re-establishing the Empire...

Not sure the other sovereign countries of the world will accept becoming part of a new British UK Empire

Pesky sovereignty

"The authority of a country to govern itself or another country."

Like Scotland, maybe? That definition just drips Imperialist delusion.

@pointythings

"The authority of a country to govern itself or another country."

Like Scotland, maybe? That definition just drips Imperialist delusion.

Like Scotland

Hopefully not for much longer

One of the potential benefits of Brexit, from my perspective even if FUKD not being part of the EU will make it more complicated

@HannibalHayeski

In "there will be adequate food" news;

BREAKING : Downing Street orders U.K. supermarkets to remove empty shelves to conceal food shortages...

Of course that just highlights that every empty square foot of sales space in a supermarket is a loss that has to be paid for by the customer.

I'd estimate on shelf space, Sainsburys is easily running at 90% efficiency as a new baseline. So as wages go up, fuelled by labour shortages, and prices go up to (a) pay for those wages and (b) pay for the empty shelves, we really are seeing the dial on the chronometer heading back to the 1970s and pre-EU life.

prettybird I am hoping an independent Scotland happens soon and joins the EU.

"The authority of a country to govern itself or another country."

So let me get this right: according to foxandcubs understanding - when we became part of the EU, Parliament was abolished, and now that Brexit is 'done', we have just re-established it?

@pointythings

"The authority of a country to govern itself or another country."

Like Scotland, maybe? That definition just drips Imperialist delusion.

Remember, it's now a legal accepted fact* that the act of Union has been weakened by Brexit. Not just opinion.

(*We also have to remember what Brexiteers think of "facts")

Is "Job Done" what TrueBeLeavers shout when they ejaculate?

@wewereliars

Maybe check your facts foxandcubs thanks to the rebate Thatcher secured the UK was a net beneficiary while in the EU.

No, as shown here, the UK was a net contributor by £9.4bn

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-7886/

@TheElementsSong

Is "Job Done" what TrueBeLeavers shout when they ejaculate?

It's interesting how they had to shrink their slogans down to the thickest common denominator.

Even so, I can seem some people with a Hoey level of intelligence struggling and shouting "Done job ! Done job !".

Which amusingly does make them sound like a toddler that has shat it's pants and now needs the grown ups to sort out the mess.

pointythings Sun 11-Jul-21 16:53:39
prettybird I am hoping an independent Scotland happens soon and joins the EU.

Me too !

I noticed we were running out of thread, so here is a fresh one. I promise I will post cats on it at some point! www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/4294132-Westminstenders-Tachographs-and-Empty-Shelves

thanks to the rebate Thatcher secured the UK was a net beneficiary while in the EU

Nonsense.

Oh come on all, we can now export apples to India...
just don't mention Belgium to Liz

New export figures out 2 days ago - not many details but the headline figures look good;

Exports to the European Union bounce back to highest level since October 2019 following slump in trade after Brexit.

Exports of goods to the rest of the world were also up 5.5 per cent to £15.2billion, the highest level since January 2020.

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/markets/article-9774363/Exports-European-Union-bounce-following-Brexit-slump.html

Brexiteers...are too busy out in the fields fruit picking

Exaggerated problem -

Nick Marston, Chairman of British Summer Fruits, said the soft fruit industry faces decreasing numbers of seasonal workers from the EU and the ‘impossibility of recruiting a significant proportion of our large workforce from UK residents’.

But he added: ‘Despite Brexit and restrictions on the free movement of workers, the industry has generally been able to recruit a large enough workforce for the current soft fruit season.

He welcomed the Government’s decision to expand its Seasonal Agricultural Workers visa scheme – which allows people to come to the UK for up to six months to do farm work – from 10,000 visas in 2020 to 30,000 for 2021.

metro.co.uk/2021/06/12/fruit-farming-on-brink-of-collapse-as-brexit-causes-shortage-of-pickers-14759484/

food standards

Meanwhile, the EU have decided to lower their food standards;

A ban on farm feed made of animal remains introduced during the BSE crisis is to be lifted in the EU to allow cheap pig protein to be fed to chickens over fears that European farmers are being undercut by lower standards elsewhere.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/22/eu-to-lift-its-ban-on-feeding-animal-remains-to-domestic-livestock

Pity that England has no Martina Anderson

I'm rather glad we don't;

She became involved in the Irish republican movement in the late 1970s and is a former Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) volunteer. In June 1986, she was convicted of conspiring to cause explosions and sentenced to life in prison. She was released 13 years later as a condition of the Good Friday Agreement and subsequently became involved in politics for Sinn Féin.

Talk of dim Brexiteers and seconds later Clav appears on the horizon.

#justsayin'