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Westminstenders: Put Your Faith In The Home Office

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pointythings · 08/06/2021 08:55

Because there doesn't seem to be a new thread yet. I'm no RTB or any of you other experts, but these threads need to keep going.

Give me a couple weeks and I'll be able to post cat placemarks!

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Peregrina · 08/07/2021 18:32

Yorkshire Bylines recounting a couple's entry into the Netherlands.

We didn't have much trouble getting into France recently apart from the irritation of having our passports stamped in and out. I am still waiting to see the benefits.

pointythings · 08/07/2021 18:45

Peregrina I wonder how it will go if we get to travel to the Netherlands next year with my foster son, who is a UK passport holder (once his passport finally arrives!) only. The three of us are all EU citizens, but he isn't. Maybe by then the EU's ETIAS will be up and running and that may help, but we can't be sure.

Still, I suppose it'll be our fault for wanting to visit a foreign country instead of staying patriotically in the UK.

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QueenOfThorns · 08/07/2021 20:04

@Peregrina

Yorkshire Bylines recounting a couple's entry into the Netherlands.

We didn't have much trouble getting into France recently apart from the irritation of having our passports stamped in and out. I am still waiting to see the benefits.

Crikey! I must remember to pack my marriage certificate next time we visit the PILs. As we got married in the Netherlands, hopefully I’ll earn bonus points for that.

I wonder what we should do with DD, though. As you’re supposed to travel both ways on the same passport, I assumed we’d use her British one, as if she tried to enter the UK on a Dutch passport, she might have difficulties because she doesn’t have settled status (she doesn’t need it). But what about getting her into the Netherlands on a British passport?

Thanks so much, Brexiters Angry

mathanxiety · 08/07/2021 22:42

www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-57738240

The Home Office strikes again.

This time the problem is a complete disregard on the part of the Home Office of the long history of Irish migration to Britain, the GFA, and other international agreements on movement of people between Ireland and the UK.

You know it's bad when even a grandee of the DUP is pissed off:

Earlier in the year, Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) peer Lord Hay told the committee he had been discriminated against in his attempts to get a British passport.

The former Stormont speaker was born in County Donegal in the Republic of Ireland but is a long-term Northern Ireland resident.

He said that latest census figures show that there were 40,000 people living in Northern Ireland who were born in the Republic.

"I welcome the recommendations of the Northern Ireland Affairs Committee where they are clearly saying that the fee has got to be dealt with," Lord Hay told BBC Radio Foyle on Wednesday.

He said the committee had "clearly said to the Home Office the fee must be dealt with" and described the naturalisation process as having been "fraught with insensitivity".

"The key issue is that £1,300 puts a lot of people off in applying for British citizenship and the Home Office have had this issue for some time," he added.

"It's a real barrier to people who simply want to register as a British citizen."

Mr Hoare said the fee was "absurd and unfair", adding: "The policy is out of step with what the public needs, and with life on the island of Ireland today."

In its evidence to the committee, the Home Office had argued the process was fair, as it was the same for people born in any other third country. Hmm

However the committee found such an explanation "is to fundamentally miss the historical nuance of the issue".

borntobequiet · 09/07/2021 08:05

However the committee found such an explanation "is to fundamentally miss the historical nuance of the issue".

I think our current government think the only function of a historical nuance is to be ignored, along with a number of historical facts.

Peregrina · 09/07/2021 09:13

There is a good chance within the next few days that the Government will find out exactly what the situation is in N Ireland. Not that the significance of the date will mean anything - we have already had one NI Minister tell us that she didn't realise people vote on sectarian lines there.

DuncinToffee · 09/07/2021 10:25

Watch: Fresh vegetables discarded in the field because of Brexit and Covid staff shortages. This farm in Southern England forced to throw courgettes away this week because it couldn’t get enough staff to sort, pack & ship fresh produce to supermarkets. The storage shed was full.

The farm says it does give excess produce to charity via FareShare, but needed to take immediate action because of the extreme pressure of current staff shortages. This at a time when actually getting fresh produce to supermarkets is a challenge, because of a lack of HGV drivers

twitter.com/richardgaisford/status/1413189568245948426?s=21

HappyWinter · 09/07/2021 10:26

Hasn't one scientist already come out and said that a half vaccinated population is a fertile breeding ground for a new variant?

Didn't Manaus/Brazil have 67% of population with antibodies after their first wave? Then their second wave was much worse as the virus evolved due to partially immune population?

It's worrying. I don't think they should scrap masks and social distancing when it's rising so quickly. Lots of cases locally now and more people that I know than at any other time in the pandemic (I live in an area with a high level of cases since last summer, it's been higher than England generally ever since). It's going to explode here when they lift the rest of the restrictions. I think we will be spending half the summer isolating at this rate.

borntobequiet · 09/07/2021 10:42

Farming Today.

The Government has decided to ban imports of seed potatoes from the EU. What we voted for, innit?

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000xmgv

HarrietPierce · 09/07/2021 12:54

When will leavers ever admit that the whole Brexit process has been a croc of shit?

HarrietPierce · 09/07/2021 13:01

chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/2021/07/britain-neighbour-from-hell.html

The latest Chris Grey post: Britain- The neighbour from hell.

Peregrina · 09/07/2021 13:11

When will the leavers admit that Brexit has been a crock of shit? They won't, they will just go very quiet and then pretend that they didn't vote Leave.

When will Johnson admit it - when he sees that this is the way the crowd is running, and then he will dart ahead and pretend he never really supported Brexit. Which of course, will be true, because he wrote articles for and against. Others like the ERG will as now, have gone mighty quiet. When did we last hear a statement from Mr Happy-British-Fish?

DrBlackbird · 09/07/2021 14:31

@HarrietPierce

When will leavers ever admit that the whole Brexit process has been a croc of shit?
Never. Absolutely never. It will always be a shifting reframing of "this whatever this is at the time is exactly what we voted for and ABC thank god".

Because admitting Brexit is utterly idiotic on every possible front would have to admit that BJ, JRM, et al and possibly the whole Tory party by extension are lying duplicitous weasels willing to sell their grandmothers to fulfill their entitled Etonian wet dreams to the detriment of every average citizen.

AuldAlliance · 09/07/2021 14:54

JRM is very busy.
With alliteration:
twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1413047266097647616?s=20

foxandcubs · 09/07/2021 16:48

Brexit has got us away from the European Commission, the European Parliament and the European Court of Justice.
And we can now have a fair immigration system.
Job done. 🇬🇧

HannibalHayeski · 09/07/2021 16:50

Idiot...

jasjas1973 · 09/07/2021 16:55

@foxandcubs

Brexit has got us away from the European Commission, the European Parliament and the European Court of Justice. And we can now have a fair immigration system. Job done. 🇬🇧
I guess that depends if you think it actually has, we still want to sell to the EU, then there is NI and the withdrawal agreement.

Some might say "still tied, no say"

Immigration? did you have any say in (up to) 3m HK citizens coming to the UK ? they are allowed to walk in, no checks on earnings or skill levels, based on pure numbers, that won't leave to many others coming here.

mathanxiety · 09/07/2021 16:57

I think our current government think the only function of a historical nuance is to be ignored, along with a number of historical facts.

And a number of international agreements, including some which they signed themselves and celebrated with champagne..

prettybird · 09/07/2021 17:01

This is excoriating: Priti Patel expecting ships' captains to choose between breaking UK law or ignore the law of the sea and leave people to drown Angry

As the post finishes...

....Incidentally, if you are someone who is concerned about the numbers of migrants entering: Nothing in this Bill will actually lead to any reduction in numbers. It will just create more chaos in a very badly run system.

I think it's obvious who the real idiots blinded by dogma are SadAngry

https://www.facebook.com/660005905/posts/10158240049640906/?d=n

HarrietPierce · 09/07/2021 17:10

foxandcubs

"Job done"

As the old adage goes " There are none so blind as those who will not see."

mathanxiety · 09/07/2021 17:21

www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-57752373
Hot marching season ahead.
This particular bonfire is intended to be a provocation right beside a Peace Wall. The question of police involvement in clearing the bonfire or protecting contractors clearing it is significant because Loyalists are increasingly critical of policing.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-57480178
DUP and UUP councillors in Derry walk out of bonfire committee.

They are sore about Derry and Strabane city councils voting against commemorating the establishment of NI. The bonfire thing is a pretext.

foxandcubs · 09/07/2021 17:44

Goodness me, Prettybird, do you believe everything you read on Facebook?

HarrietPierce · 09/07/2021 17:56

Goodness me, I expect some people believe everything they read in The Daily Mail or The Torygraph!

borntobequiet · 09/07/2021 18:03

@foxandcubs

Brexit has got us away from the European Commission, the European Parliament and the European Court of Justice. And we can now have a fair immigration system. Job done. 🇬🇧
And what precisely are the benefits?

Nul points for “sovereignty” “blue passports” or any banana-related “facts”.