My feed
Premium

Please
or
to access all these features

Brexit

Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

OP posts:
Report
Peregrina · 17/01/2021 11:19

Hands up here who is shocked?

Wrong place to ask. I hesitate to suggest that you post this in the Brexit Arms, because they would shout and scream that they were being bullied.

Report
prettybird · 17/01/2021 11:23

.....cue ListeningQuietly coming in to post I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO I TOLD YOU SO Grin

Report
DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 11:28

@Peregrina

I would just like to know what Patel was up to. Although normally I would prefer to attribute events to cock-ups rather than conspiracy, in this case, it's more likely to be the latter.

I hate to say this (even in that photo upthread that smug smile put me off lunch) but in defence to PP, the Home Office has been dysfunctional for decades.

In fact the failure of Theresa May to fix that (in fact it was quite the reverse, she went native) should have been a clear signal as to how effective she would be as Prime Minister.

Remember it was ultimately the Home Office which sat (and sits) on all those cases of innocent people without a shred of conscience. In fact if you wanted a simple non-moral reason we shouldn't have the death penalty, it's that it would be administered by the Home Office. Who have been caught lying in foreign courts too, let's remember.
Report
inquietant · 17/01/2021 11:29

.

Report
ListeningQuietly · 17/01/2021 11:30

Snigger !
No. You did it for me Smile
And lets be honest, these threads are the one place I do not need to say it.

If you want a real laugh, check out the comments on the Linkedin posts done by the UK Gov Transition team.
Roasting does not even come close.

The Response to Check : Change : Go that ran
Check if your business is registered in the UK
Change to an EU registration
Go to live in an EU country
was a cracker

Report
DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 11:31

@RedToothBrush

'shock brexit' is trending on twitter in response to a story about how its come as a shock to small businesses that brexit red tape is problematic.

Hands up here who is shocked?

Very first comment:

^To all those people who voted for this 'clusterfeck' & are in "shock". When your whole 'belief system' depends on what's written on the side of red buses. Please sit down now. It's very difficult tell you, but it's time you knew - Santa Clause also ain't real.
You may cry now..^
Report
52andblue · 17/01/2021 11:45

Casting in with a PMK as this is the only plaice to get Brexit facts which are not pollocks (poor, but all the good ones had gone) Thanks@RedToothBrush et al

Report
borntobequiet · 17/01/2021 11:46

I suppose one should be asking (for a friend obv) who exactly might fairly recently have been arrested, released and then had their details accidentally deleted?

Report
bellinisurge · 17/01/2021 11:49

The Brexit Arms is closed. Because... reasons.

Report
ListeningQuietly · 17/01/2021 11:49

Paywalled but the picture summarises the article effectively
www.economist.com/britain/2021/01/14/trump-dont-think-i-know-him

Report
mrslaughan · 17/01/2021 11:51

I hesitate to say this (as outing) - but I was talking to friend the other day - her DH is a project manager and has been taken on recently to help try and sort out freight into Ireland - my comment was "poor bugger" her comment "never seen him so stressed.
They are very much remainers, which must make it extra soul destroying

Report
OchonAgusOchonO · 17/01/2021 11:59

@mrslaughan - her DH is a project manager and has been taken on recently to help try and sort out freight into Ireland

I'm currently waiting on an order that was shipped on 7/1. Previously, as it's being sent by courier, I would have had it by 11/1 at the absolute latest.

It went into a cross border processing centre on 8/1. It was cleared by outbound export customs on 14/1. It has progressed no further since then.

Any chance your friend's dh could put a rush on it for meGrin?

The only reason I bought from the UK was that the item was reduced to half price so considerably cheaper than an EU company. Luckily I don't need it anytime soon

Report
DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 11:59

Seems the Tory party is not full of happy campers. Which considering this should be it's crowning moment - delivering Brexit - doesn't augur well for the next 11 months. As with the GOP, it seems the Tories are starting to realise they aren't Tories anymore ...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/17/medias-libertarian-covid-sceptics-under-fire-from-senior-tory

A vice-chair of the Tory party on Sunday launched a savage attack on prominent Conservative libertarians in the media who have persistently played down the dangers of Covid-19, arguing that they “have a hell of a lot to answer for”.

Neil O’Brien, the MP for Harborough, accuses prominent Tory-supporting journalists of making things up and repeatedly peddling claims that have been disproved.

His increasingly heated disagreements with right-wing figures including Toby Young, Allison Pearson and Julia Hartley-Brewer has been building on Twitter over recent days. It mirrors splits among Tory MPs who are themselves deeply divided over how serious the virus is and the need for draconian lockdowns.

But writing in the Observer O’Brien goes further, calling the group “the guilty men (and women) of the media” who must themselves be held to account for putting people at risk.

He adds: “The truth is, the Covid sceptics aren’t really sceptics at all. They engage in motivated reasoning; make stuff up, and double down on claims that have been disproved. They’re powerful figures in the media, not used to being questioned. But the truth is, they have a hell of lot to answer for.”

(contd)

Report
mrslaughan · 17/01/2021 12:03

It seems they forgot about the Falkland Islands......I mean we shouldn't be surprised- they just join the list of UK countries that English brexiteers have fucked over

twitter.com/stuartbudd1/status/1350548837220438020?s=21

Report
Coquohvan · 17/01/2021 12:06

Also remainers here, DH imports various tech components for his business, when manufactured many are sold out with UK. Remainers are anxious about this.

Report
mrslaughan · 17/01/2021 12:07

I follow Neil O'Brien on Twitter - he is completely swimming against the tide in the Tory party - actual listens to scientists, and seems sensible. I did once tweet him asking if he was really a Tory - given he is so at odds with his own party/cabinet

Report
pointythings · 17/01/2021 12:07

I have been resisting the temptation to say 'I told you so' to some of my Leave voting friends and colleagues. It's getting harder.

Report
RedToothBrush · 17/01/2021 12:09

[quote mrslaughan]It seems they forgot about the Falkland Islands......I mean we shouldn't be surprised- they just join the list of UK countries that English brexiteers have fucked over

twitter.com/stuartbudd1/status/1350548837220438020?s=21[/quote]
That sound you hear is Maggie rolling.

OP posts:
Report
RedToothBrush · 17/01/2021 12:10

@pointythings

I have been resisting the temptation to say 'I told you so' to some of my Leave voting friends and colleagues. It's getting harder.

I'm fortunate enough not to have too many of them. I won't mince my words out of politeness though.
OP posts:
Report
mrslaughan · 17/01/2021 12:10

@RedToothBrush
Yep my thoughts exactly........ maybe this will be the thing that shakes the traditional Tories.... not the UKIPErs

Report
OchonAgusOchonO · 17/01/2021 12:11

@Coquohvan - DH imports various tech components for his business, when manufactured many are sold out with UK.

And with the rules of origin, that presumably means tariffs on his exports. That's crap.

Report
DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 12:12

It seems they forgot about the Falkland Islands

Argentina and Spain should have a pow wow and work out the best route to getting Gibraltar and Las Malvinas back into Spanish and Argentine sovereignty. Peaceful carrot deployment being the key ?

Report

Don’t want to miss threads like this?

Weekly

Sign up to our weekly round up and get all the best threads sent straight to your inbox!

Log in to update your newsletter preferences.

You've subscribed!

RedToothBrush · 17/01/2021 12:16

[quote mrslaughan]@RedToothBrush
Yep my thoughts exactly........ maybe this will be the thing that shakes the traditional Tories.... not the UKIPErs[/quote]
Kippers are in charge. Where do the trad tories go? The ones who don't much like socialist ideas. Or taxation.

OP posts:
Report
DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 12:17

@DGRossetti

It seems they forgot about the Falkland Islands

Argentina and Spain should have a pow wow and work out the best route to getting Gibraltar and Las Malvinas back into Spanish and Argentine sovereignty. Peaceful carrot deployment being the key ?

So they were left out of the - now signed and sealed - Boris Brexit deal ?

Oops.

So what will the EU want in return for adding them to the deal ? Maybe Remainers could email their suggestions to the Commission for discussion ?

Yes - let us Remainers work with a foreign body to the massive irritation to Westminster.
Report
DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 12:18

Where do the trad tories go?

To hell as far as I care.

Report
Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.