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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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Emilyontmoor · 24/01/2021 11:58

No courgettes or aubergines at my local supermarket this weekend. Wonder if they’re rotting in a container at Dover or Calais?
(I checked and a lot come to the U.K. from southern Spain.)

No cucumbers in our aircraft hanger of a Tesco. Interestingly they no longer leave the shelf empty, they had crowded out the space in the salad section with celery. It was if cucumbers weren’t a salad thing Hmm

Peregrina · 24/01/2021 12:07

We could not get a cauliflower yesterday. That was Waitrose; we have never seen them completely out of them before. I haven't looked to see where they normally came from, but didn't Brittany Ferries start up their services initially to ship cauliflowers to the UK?

Some of it will be weather related, but not all.

I don't doubt that a Leaver will come along and tell us that there are shelves and shelves of caulis in their supermarket.

Peregrina · 24/01/2021 12:16

I couldn’t speculate why they might go to great lengths to get the boys to Eton but let the daughter end up in a —wife factory— less academic school.

This was and still is very typical. It also used to permeate the grammar school system, where the son would be allowed to take up a GS place but a daughter wouldn't - because she was only going to get married anyway.

borntobequiet · 24/01/2021 12:17

No courgettes or aubergines at my local supermarket this weekend. Wonder if they’re rotting in a container at Dover or Calais?

There was very cold weather all over Europe I think in Jan/Feb 2017. I was having a break on the Algarve and it was seriously cold at night (sun warm during the day though). I remember that salad and other veg from Spain was in short supply in the UK because the freezing temperatures had ruined the crops.

mrslaughan · 24/01/2021 12:40

DS - had two friends go to Eton and they are still there.... the process is VERY academically selective .... I am not saying if you are "connected" you can't get a child not so bright it.... but they balance that with being very academically selective.

Having said that you do have to be looking for a certain sort of education.....

HesterThrale · 24/01/2021 12:41

That’s true born. There was snow in Spain a week or two ago... but I do think when the dust settles we will find these veg more expensive and in shorter supply.

And this is such a waste of food:

mobile.twitter.com/SJAMcBride/status/1347660319099936782

mrslaughan · 24/01/2021 12:43

@Peregrina "We could not get a cauliflower yesterday. " so much for all those farmers prior to Xmas shouting that we didn't need to worry about Brexit, they had fields of Broccoli, Cauli, and cabbage....

Peregrina · 24/01/2021 12:44

Andrew Rawnsley discusses the steep bill for Boris's Brexit.

Peregrina · 24/01/2021 12:47

DS - had two friends go to Eton and they are still there.... the process is VERY academically selective ....

I think that's now, post league tables. Before hand it was more a question of money and connections.

ListeningQuietly · 24/01/2021 13:16

MrsL
Eton admission now is NOTHING like what it was in the late 70's
whole different world.

I have previously posted about the gang of Hoorays and Sloanes I hung out with.
NONE of their kids are at the top schools now - because they cannot get in.

Any YYY to the gels marriage schools - the two St Mary's were known as being underperforming even then
but they went to the right parties to find rich husbands.

DGRossetti · 24/01/2021 13:17

If anyone can understand this, it could be significant ?

www.scottishlawreports.org.uk/headlines/keatings-v-advocate-general-the-referendum-powers-case/

mrslaughan · 24/01/2021 13:18

Peregrina- I realise that's now - when it used to not be ...... we just need to look at Johnson to realise that the case.
And look some boys I am sure get in based on family - but I also know two brothers whose dad went to Eton , are very bright - but prep was taken very seriously- they obviously didn't assume they were a shoo in.

In fact with regards to Harrow I know it's become a bit of a problem- old boys told at fundraisers that there would always be places for their off spring (to get them to open their cheque books) but then it has become so academically selective, that then when said offspring just walk in, they can't keep up with the rest of them..... they stand out for all the wrong reasons.

Anyway I do have much sympathy for them.....

DGRossetti · 24/01/2021 13:19

How others see us.

Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops
borntobequiet · 24/01/2021 13:22

[quote HesterThrale]That’s true born. There was snow in Spain a week or two ago... but I do think when the dust settles we will find these veg more expensive and in shorter supply.

And this is such a waste of food:

mobile.twitter.com/SJAMcBride/status/1347660319099936782[/quote]
I didn’t make it clear that my point was that so much of our stuff comes from Southern Europe and supplies are vulnerable to any disruption.
I wasn’t suggesting that current problems are down to weather!

mrslaughan · 24/01/2021 13:22

LQ - my response was more about Emily's post.

I do wish schools were less about league tables and more about a well rounded education...... but also don't think who your parents are should have any sway on entrance to a school.

I still find the class system here completely bamboozeling.... as in "why do people put up with it" ..... which given the election of Johnson, Rees-mogg et al it seems mist people are very happy to put up with it....

ListeningQuietly · 24/01/2021 13:27

MrsL
Ah yes, the forelock tugging.
Drives me up the wall.
But, the landed classes have done BRILLIANTLY at making the lower classes hate other parts of their own class
rather than the gits who are getting and staying rich

FatCatThinCat · 24/01/2021 13:34

How short term is short term if they're saying that in the short term we'll have to eat seasonaly? Surely that means short term is expected to last for a number of years?

Peregrina · 24/01/2021 13:38

LQ, MrsL -Yes, yes, yes to both your latest posts.

But weren't there always schools for Tim nice but dim? Where do they go now?

ListeningQuietly · 24/01/2021 13:47

@Peregrina

LQ, MrsL -Yes, yes, yes to both your latest posts.

But weren't there always schools for Tim nice but dim? Where do they go now?

Look at this list www.best-schools.co.uk/uk-school-league-tables/list-of-league-tables/top-boarding-schools-by-gcse Where do we remember as being Boys that are now Co-Ed? there is your answer WinkGrin
Emilyontmoor · 24/01/2021 13:54

Mrs Laughan I am mainly talking about the next generation around here, who sat the exams in the noughties. So not that out off date. The brightest who do want that sort of education went to Winchester, or more likely they didn’t board and went to Westminster, Kings College, Wimbledon or St Pauls’.

LQ All the selection exams are now harder, even the private schools that used to offer a more holistic —hippy— approach have now become even more of an exam factory than the ones that were traditionally more selective.

I am thinking of one in particular and where on earth Mick Jagger will send his no doubt many future children 😂

TatianaBis · 24/01/2021 13:55

I have previously posted about the gang of Hoorays and Sloanes I hung out with. NONE of their kids are at the top schools now - because they cannot get in.

It’s more likely that they can’t afford it.

The cost of independent schools has increased in excess of inflation since the 70s and the demographics have changed - more Asian, Russian and ethnic minority students.

Eton is odd because it’s very big so it takes super-academic boys but also mid and lower range (depending how you define your range of course).

There are famous public schools that aren’t particularly academic.

TatianaBis · 24/01/2021 14:11

The only truly hippy schools left seem to be the Steiner schools which always seem to be in special measures and Brockwood Park.

mrslaughan · 24/01/2021 14:16

@Peregrina there are still non academically selective ones - they just aren't the big names...... plus tutoring, tutoring, tutoring, and prepping peeping prepping.....actually Millfeild I believe is considered perfectly acceptable and is not selective at all.....

ListeningQuietly · 24/01/2021 14:17

Seasonal eating
I have just been up the garden to pick veg to go with my roast
Leeks
Kale
Cabbage
and then from storage
Squash
Potatoes
and from the shops

Carrots (mine ran out at Christmas)
Peas (frozen)

Clavinova · 24/01/2021 14:20

Don't worry, I haven't run off Wink - but I am nearly three days behind with the thread (busy doing other things) - I will have to catch up later.
mathanxiety can wait, although I will quickly reply to HappyWinter'

[clavinova suggested] "that it was OK for children whose first language wasn't English to be in school over the Christmas holiday (when the covid rates were already rapidly increasing)"

You are posting nonsense HappyWinter. Why would I want the children to attend school during the Christmas holidays?? The dilemma discussed on that thread was whether the primary school in the link should have been allowed to move to online learning for the last week of the school term - not give extra lessons during the holidays. The plan was overruled by the DfE. The school (in Oldham, Greater Manchester) had poor progress results; 'well below average' in reading and 'below average' in maths - therefore the pupils were already disadvantaged in their learning, without them missing an extra week of in-school teaching.

(when the covid rates were already rapidly increasing)

And yet, Andy Burnham, Labour Mayor of Greater Manchester, said on 16 December;

there have been “steady decreases” across all of the region’s 10 boroughs and its average rate is around 150 cases per 100,000. This is below the England-wide average of 194.
there’s a ‘clear case’ for Manchester to exit Tier 3.

www.itv.com/news/2020-12-16/covid-mayor-andy-burnham-argues-theres-a-clear-case-for-manchester-to-exit-tier-3

I'm not following her around Mumsnet, just noticed the name on the thread! She just backs up the government line on every thread.

Keir Starmer backed the government re London schools.

14 December;
Starmer urges leaders to try to keep schools open as Khan backs early closure.

www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/12/14/starmer-urges-leaders-to-try-to-keep-schools-open-as-khan-backs-early-closure/

Do you think Keir Starmer was being heartless or hopeless?