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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2021 12:21

@DGRossetti

Where do the trad tories go?

To hell as far as I care.

Thats wishful thinking rather than being based in reality DGR...
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Peregrina · 17/01/2021 12:36

Cough. I don't think we did forget the Falkland Islands, Johnson did.
Another group of British overseas territories are places like Anguilla which trades with its nearest island St Maarten/St Martin which is half Dutch and half French.

What I suspect will happen there is that a blind eye will be turned to the rules and regulations. Who is going to police it? Will the UK be sending a gunboat?

Peregrina · 17/01/2021 12:37

The traditional Tories can share some of the blame, for meekly allowing the UKIPTories to take over.

No doubt they had as much spine as Cameron did.

TatianaBis · 17/01/2021 12:37

The victim of the Tory MP sex attack seeks review of decision to drop the case and claims police failed to investigate properly:

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/top-tory-accused-sex-attack-23332441

A woman today reveals the ­campaign of control and sexual abuse she claims she suffered at the hands of a “monster” Tory MP.

The aide alleges one of the attacks was in the former minister’s parliamentary office – as other MPs worked nearby.

She claims police did not fully investigate her claims and that they failed to follow up a number of lines of inquiry before shelving the case last month.

But she is refusing to abandon her bid to see the politician behind bars and is being advised by a top QC as she seeks to have the case reviewed.

A source said the woman had been through “utter hell” and had been subjected to verbal, mental and physical abuse that ranged from shouting and screaming to rape.

And the woman’s mother says she feared for her daughter’s life.

RedToothBrush · 17/01/2021 12:38

I think that we will need to do a 'where are they now' feature on leading Brexiteers going forward. I think it will make for interesting reading.

For this edition I give you - Douglas Carswell.

Carswell has emigrated to Mississippi.

I'm inclined to think our problem wasn't people moving into the UK who didn't 'intergrate' well, it was us not shoving problematic Brits out to where they might fit in better.

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TatianaBis · 17/01/2021 12:40

But in claims which go to the heart of the corridors of power, the woman has told her lawyers:

Fourteen people with supporting evidence were not questioned by police.

Relevant documents from four sexual violence organisations weren’t collected.

Key evidence such as texts and phone records were ignored.

Officers dismissed her claims because she was in a relationship with the MP.

Top lawyer Nigel Edwards QC has taken on her case and is advising her on further legal action.

Under the Victims’ Right to Review scheme, she could overturn the police decision not to proceed.

If the Crown Prosecution Service decided to prosecute, the man could face trial.

Peregrina · 17/01/2021 12:46

If the Crown Prosecution Service decided to prosecute, the man could face trial.

Probably part of the lost records which Patel was so keen to expunge.

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 13:05

The email from Ikea stated: “We’re sorry to have to tell you that something went wrong with your order…
She said she was told that the distribution centre for Ireland is in England and that it is suffering inventory problems and other delays.

Ikea had major problems before Christmas - customer in London;

After postponing the initial delivery date, Ikea delivered only five of the 80 items. There has been no communication. Its customer service lines are disabled and there has been no response to emails sent to its–well-hidden–complaints inbox.

The store’s Trustpilot score has plummeted to one and a half stars following a surge of negative comments in November.

www.theguardian.com/money/2020/dec/23/we-ordered-80-items-from-ikea-but-it-only-delivered-five

Bad press in the US as well;

Ikea’s e-commerce was already pretty bad. During COVID-19, it absolutely fell apart.

www.fastcompany.com/90547486/ikeas-e-commerce-was-already-pretty-bad-during-covid-19-it-absolutely-fell-apart

Clearly some businesses were ready in NI/ROI;

The Irish Revenue Commissioners' head of Brexit Strategy, Laura Slattery, told the broadcaster [BBC]: "Revenue were out last year clearly setting out what the preparation needed to be. Some businesses did that and some are experiencing a relatively seamless changeover."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55675543

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We want to wish a huge thank you to our suppliers, hauliers and own teams who, despite the current challenges, have managed to keep our shelves stocked with full product availability for our customers!

Peregrina · 17/01/2021 13:10

Late again Clavinova? How's Brexit going for you? Which laws would you like to see ripped up? Working time directive? Free use of nicotinoids so that bees can be killed? Do you have a business? Are you enjoying being made 'match fit' by the extra time involved and the costs?

Some of the problems are due to Covid and logjams at the ports as we found when we ordered furniture back in September. But don't pretend that the problems of Brexit aren't adding to it.

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 13:16

Late again Clavinova? How's Brexit going for you?

Happily shopping at Waitrose, where dozens of products are 30% off - usual January promotions.

But don't pretend that the problems of Brexit aren't adding to it.

Undoubtedly adding to it - but hopefully 'teething problems' that can be sorted out.

OchonAgusOchonO · 17/01/2021 13:18

@Clavinova - Ikea had major problems before Christmas - customer in London;

The company I referred to above had no problems before Christmas. Any ideas why an order, that would normally take 3-4 days, is still not here 10 days after shipping?

Summary: Shipped on 7/1. It went into a cross border processing centre on 8/1. It was cleared by outbound export customs on 14/1. It has progressed no further since then.

And before you ask why I ordered from the UK when I said on another thread that I am looking at EU, rather than UK, suppliers, the only reason I bought from the UK was that the item was reduced to half price so was a good deal. I also don't need it anytime soon.

Blacktothepink · 17/01/2021 13:28

Oh hello, here we go 🐿

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 13:30

July 2019
^Scientists call for modernization of EU gene-editing legislation -
117 research facilities appeal to the newly elected bodies to remove obstacles for breeding new plant varieties.^

www.mpg.de/13761643/scientists-call-for-modernization-of-the-european-genetic-engineering-law

November 2020;
Fresh call for EU to allow gene edited crops. Pressure is mounting for restrictions on genetically modified organisms to be lifted. The legal framework is not fit for purpose, says a new report.

The European Federation of Academies of Sciences and Humanities (ALLEA) is calling for the EU to lift restrictions on genetically modified crops to allow the use of genome editing that does not involve the introduction of foreign genes.

That would help Europe develop more productive, climate-friendly, and resilient crops, and bring the EU up to date with recent scientific developments, a report by ALLEA says.

Shrillharridan · 17/01/2021 13:31

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Clavinova · 17/01/2021 13:38

OchonAgusOchonO
The company I referred to above had no problems before Christmas. Any ideas why an order, that would normally take 3-4 days, is still not here 10 days after shipping?

Any idea why one of the Christmas cards I posted wasn't delivered until the 6th January (both addresses in England)?

OchonAgusOchonO · 17/01/2021 13:46

@Clavinova - Any idea why one of the Christmas cards I posted wasn't delivered until the 6th January (both addresses in England)?

I forgot to add, the company that I bought from has suspended delivery to the EU since then due to border delays so not quite the same as a single delayed Christmas card. Obviously they are having the same problem with all (or most of) their shipments to the EU. So any suggestions why this one company (and presumably others as other companies have done the same) is having enough of their orders delayed that they are suspending delivery to the EU?

One possibility is your card may have been delayed due to lack of clarity in your handwriting.

borntobequiet · 17/01/2021 13:48

Carswell has emigrated to Mississippi.

Sounds like something from a book by Evelyn Waugh.

borntobequiet · 17/01/2021 13:49

@Peregrina

If the Crown Prosecution Service decided to prosecute, the man could face trial.

Probably part of the lost records which Patel was so keen to expunge.

Hence my remark upthread
sweetheartyparty · 17/01/2021 13:50

I think loads of UK businesses are struggling with this new landscape. I bought something from a UK business on 4 January. The day after it was delivered I received an email from the seller saying that as the goods were held in the Netherlands that tax and duty could be payable and feel free to reject the goods (which was too late at this point). I received another email an hour later to say that they sent the earlier email in error. That they were saying that are not certain if tax and duty is payable but if I received an invoice from the authories then to let them know and they would partially refund me. I haven't received anything yet.

How long will it be before we see food and goods prices? I can only see inflationary pressures at the moment at least for the medium term.
If we see wages rising especially as there will be fewer workers as lots of EU citizens have left then we may inflation similar to that of the 70's.

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 13:54

OchonAgusOchonO
One possibility is your card may have been delayed due to lack of clarity in your handwriting.

I have the clearest handwriting out of anyone I know.

DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 13:56

How long will it be before we see food and goods prices?

Since 4/1/2021 a few extra pennies on a few items of our regular shop.

That'll be a few pennies less on discretionary spending. Let's hope there aren't too many business in that line of work. If they have fewer customers with less money, they'll have to reduce prices by reducing wages. Which means their staff will have less to spend. But be working twice as long not to spend it.

I had to use a freeway service stop in Mississippi once. It was made of marble and the size of a small shopping mall.

I also had a chance to visit NASAs rocket test facility completely by accident. We were headed West and saw a sign to it off the freeway. It was December and off season and we were the only people they had that week, so we had a really good tour.

Ellie56 · 17/01/2021 13:59

Any idea why one of the Christmas cards I posted wasn't delivered until the 6th January (both addresses in England)?

Royal Mail was overwhelmed with the sheer volume of mail. Maybe some areas coped better than others.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55263177

OchonAgusOchonO · 17/01/2021 14:00

@Clavinova - I have the clearest handwriting out of anyone I know

Good to know. Then it obviously fell down the back of a couch somewhere on its journey.

Care to address why multiple UK companies have suspended EU deliveries due to border delays, bearing in mind that border delays are not just physical queues of trucks?

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 14:02

Oh, wait - I have answered my own question - the Guardian yesterday;

The image was arresting, and dispiriting. A mound of sealed Royal Mail sacks piled up in a large store room at a postal sorting centre in Bristol. Many of the items awaiting processing were doubtless Christmas presents which probably did not arrive on time. ...

And the problems aren’t limited to Royal Mail: social media platforms are awash with complaints about delayed or missing parcels from rival delivery firms including Hermes, DPD and Yodel.

www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/16/weighty-postbag-of-problems-as-royal-mail-reels-from-a-christmas-hangover

OchonAgusOchonO · 17/01/2021 14:04

@Clavinova - Oh, wait - I have answered my own question - the Guardian yesterday;

Oh good. Now you can help us figure out why UK companies have suspended delivery to the EU due to border delays.