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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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Mistigri · 16/01/2021 18:43

Could they just go straight to France and Spain if that's where their main markets were and land their catches there?

The langoustines are coastal so landing them in France would be a very very long diversion (and they'd probably be dead). I think landing catches in Norway is only really for deep sea fishing boats who might be halfway there already. I read somewhere it's still a 40 hour detour.

HappyWinter · 16/01/2021 18:58

PMK. Thanks for the new thread Red.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 16/01/2021 19:04

New vid from Janet Godley Grin

JustAnotherPoster00 · 16/01/2021 19:05

Not sure why it isnt working Confused

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 16/01/2021 19:14

Bravo, Red.
Plaicemarking.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 16/01/2021 19:30

Excellent work Red. I was so in to it it took me a while not realise langoustines wasn't a pun for anything and you were actually talking about real shellfish. 😂

GeistohneGrenzen · 16/01/2021 19:57

PMK

SwedishEdith · 16/01/2021 20:11

Paula Surridge
@p_surridge
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This is either really hopeful for Labour taking a decent lead over time, or means Con support is being underestimated because they'll return home when faced with a ballot paper. Probably time to start a proper dont know tracker.

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On voting intention, the biggest voter shift at the moment is from Conservative at the 2019 election > don't know now.

22% of Con19 voters are now undecided (highest yet) with 67% saying they will still vote Tory (lowest yet).

For Lab19 voters, these numbers are 9% and 79%.

SwedishEdith · 16/01/2021 20:13

@SwedishEdith

Paula Surridge *@p*_surridge · 3m This is either really hopeful for Labour taking a decent lead over time, or means Con support is being underestimated because they'll return home when faced with a ballot paper. Probably time to start a proper dont know tracker.

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Chris Curtis
@chriscurtis94
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On voting intention, the biggest voter shift at the moment is from Conservative at the 2019 election > don't know now.

22% of Con19 voters are now undecided (highest yet) with 67% saying they will still vote Tory (lowest yet).

For Lab19 voters, these numbers are 9% and 79%.

twitter.com/chriscurtis94/status/1350533902121758729?s=20
SwedishEdith · 16/01/2021 20:23

@Peregrina

Could a more clued up person than me explain why Scottish fishermen landing a catch in Denmark means they are not importing them?

Could they just go straight to France and Spain if that's where their main markets were and land their catches there?

I'm curious about this as well.
borntobequiet · 16/01/2021 20:23

I’m just guessing because I can’t find the information, but it’s possible that it’s only after fish have been landed and certificated as UK fish that all the health certificates and customs declarations kick in, and that you can land and auction catches pretty much anywhere. There are all sorts of reasons why fishing boats might need to offload at a convenient port, for example in the case of engine breakdown. Fish don’t keep!
Fishermen would generally prefer to use their home port though, for convenience, to get the best price and to access services they are familiar with. Long detours to other places cost money and you can get ripped off as well. I did have a half share in and worked a little trawler many years ago, but that doesn’t make me better informed than anyone else - like I said, it’s guesswork.

SwedishEdith · 16/01/2021 20:28

That makes sense. Weird it's so difficult to find a simple explanation though.

SwedishEdith · 16/01/2021 20:31

This warns about no automatic right to land fish in any EU port is no deal so presume this right was secured in the agreement?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/no-deal-brexit-fishing-boats-eu-ports-imports-exports-horses-passports-food-a8581741.html

SwedishEdith · 16/01/2021 20:34

More here

brixhamfishmarket.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Fisherman_leaflet.pdf

Right, it's Saturday night - no more fishing rules Grin, more Wine

jasjas1973 · 16/01/2021 20:39

You really couldn't make up this stuff... did no one read the small print?

www.gov.uk/guidance/fisheries-businesses-working-after-brexit-transition#access-to-eu-ports

SabrinaThwaite · 16/01/2021 20:49

So ...

Westminster Voting Intention:

LAB: 41% (+1)
CON: 37% (-2)
LDM: 6% (=)
SNP: 6% (+1)
GRN: 4% (=)

Via @OpiniumResearch, 14-15 Jan.
Changes w/ 6-7 Jan

ListeningQuietly · 16/01/2021 20:54

Swedish
That Brixham / UK Gov leaflet is the key
it will allow boats to land catch directly into the EU
BUT
the price paid will be determined by the shore agents
so the fuckwit fishermen who voted for Brexit will get screwed over by the Danes
[ -worlds tiniest violin emoji-- ]

GirlsBlouse17 · 16/01/2021 20:58

Place mackerelling 😁

OchonAgusOchonO · 16/01/2021 21:07

This warns about no automatic right to land fish in any EU port is no deal so presume this right was secured in the agreement?

This would suggest not.

It seems third country boats can land in certain designated ports: These can be accessed for services, landings and transhipments, by third country fishing vessels. These will only be authorised when "prior notification" and a "Pre Landing Declaration": are submitted to the respective competent authority, giving a minimum of 4 hours prior notice.

www.sfpa.ie/What-We-Do/Trade-Market-Access-Support/IUU-Fishing/Third-Country-Transhipment-Landings

Presumably the port in Denmark is similar.

HannibalHayes · 16/01/2021 21:18

Thought this might give us all a bit of a giggle...

Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops
Peregrina · 16/01/2021 21:40

The Danish port that the fish are being landed at is listed in the Irish document. At least the fishermen had the gumption to find out that this was a possibility. Maybe they knew anyway?

QueenOfThorns · 16/01/2021 21:50

I’m sorry, I can’t think of an original fish pun for my plaice mark, but the OP is a work of art RTB Grin

RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 22:02

Telegraph reporting the first overseas visit of Biden after Canada will be the UK.

Apparently its all about reconsilation. In June apparent around the time of G7.

Raab is hoping to go over to DC in the coming weeks if covid restriction allow.

He is also supposed to be coming in the autumn for a climate change conference.

Should we be expecting him to go via Ireland then?

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ListeningQuietly · 16/01/2021 22:04

RTB
You lost me at Telegraph reporting
Not in a million years does Biden give two shits about reconciliation with the UK.
The EU definitely
The WTO / WHO / NATO / UN naturally
but Johnson's government - give over

Peregrina · 16/01/2021 22:12

Is the UK hosting the G7 then?

Otherwise, expect at least an informal stopover in Ireland first.

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