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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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Shrillharridan · 24/01/2021 14:22

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ListeningQuietly · 24/01/2021 14:25

Tatiana
The folks I'm thinking of had their fees paid from the family trust fund, not from anything as nouveau as earnings Wink

Goingtothebudgies · 24/01/2021 14:35

Have a look at this hippy school. Don't know whether it's still vegetarian.
www.stchris.co.uk/about-us/

Peregrina · 24/01/2021 14:41

It's interesting to note that there are still more girls only than boys only schools.

RedToothBrush · 24/01/2021 14:46

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/4145448-Westminstenders-Move-Your-Business-To-The-EU?watched=1
New thread pondering a point.

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TatianaBis · 24/01/2021 15:05

@ListeningQuietly

Tatiana The folks I'm thinking of had their fees paid from the family trust fund, not from anything as nouveau as earnings Wink
Oh that old cliché slash myth.
ListeningQuietly · 24/01/2021 15:30

Tatiana
Cliche yes
Myth no
Three girls was at school with had Tory Grandee MPs as fathers
I've looked up their addresses and the houses have not been sold since the records started

Old money.

TatianaBis · 24/01/2021 15:42

So when you said ‘none’ you actually meant 3.

ListeningQuietly · 24/01/2021 15:45

No.
Out of my junior school class of 15 I'd say 11 were "old money"
My 6th form gang was about 50 of us (no overlap between the groups)
and of them a third were "old money"
Its still around. They do not flaunt it, but its definitely there.

Peregrina · 24/01/2021 15:58

I don't think Johnson would count as an Old Money background, would he?

Nor I think would Grease-Smug for all his pretences - why his father was in Newspapers i.e. a Trade.

mrslaughan · 24/01/2021 16:20

@Peregrina ahhh - but didn't Rees-Mogg "Marry well"

DGRossetti · 24/01/2021 16:25

[quote mrslaughan]@Peregrina ahhh - but didn't Rees-Mogg "Marry well"[/quote]
Lucky Well, is all I can say.

ListeningQuietly · 24/01/2021 16:32

Funnily I just looked up the 3 MPs
and only one was still deemed respectable by the end of his life.
The other two (DuCann and Rathbone) were much more in the Johnson mould Grin

Rees-Moggs wife is a friend of a friend.
She was deemed "very odd" at school Smile

TatianaBis · 24/01/2021 16:38

Technically I’m ‘old money’ but I don’t even know what you mean by that in this context. You seem to think every Sloane has a large trust fund. It’s all very odd.

Emilyontmoor is spot on though on background + schools.

UltimateFoole · 24/01/2021 17:08

@Peregrina

I couldn’t speculate why they might go to great lengths to get the boys to Eton but let the daughter end up in a —wife factory— less academic school.

This was and still is very typical. It also used to permeate the grammar school system, where the son would be allowed to take up a GS place but a daughter wouldn't - because she was only going to get married anyway.

And I have come across several women in their 20s / 30s who were sent to grammar schools while their brothers were given a private education. Their families couldn't afford to pay school fees for all the children - so naturally investment went into the boys. (Sigh.)
DGRossetti · 24/01/2021 17:22

And I have come across several women in their 20s / 30s who were sent to grammar schools while their brothers were given a private education. Their families couldn't afford to pay school fees for all the children - so naturally investment went into the boys. (Sigh.)

A family I was at school with sent the two sisters to the local comp (i.e. mine) and the youngest son to a private school. Nothing to do with academic propensity.

borntobequiet · 24/01/2021 17:39

My Catholic convent (weekly) boarding school was also the Catholic girls’ grammar school so we had the weirdest mix of girls from solid established upper middle class families, relatively recent professional families (mine) (often of Irish background), pan-European wealthy commercial families, minor aristocratic/“old money” families, and girls from in some cases relatively deprived backgrounds who had passed the 11+. The nuns were mostly hideous snobs and really only paid attention to girls from wealthy or old (preferably aristocratic) Catholic families. The Irish were looked down on and all the menial work was done by Irish Sisters.

Peregrina · 24/01/2021 18:03

A family I was at school with sent the two sisters to the local comp (i.e. mine) and the youngest son to a private school. Nothing to do with academic propensity.

Yes, seen that myself. The only local single sex girls comprehensive school is very good is the excuse used.

DH went to a Catholic boys equivalent borntobequiet - basically an Independent school, part boarding, to which the Local Authority bought some 'grammar school' places. Once the LA went comprehensive, the school folded. DH thinks he'd have done better at the Local Authority co-ed non Catholic grammar.

TartrazineCustard · 24/01/2021 18:22

@Mamamia456

DGRossetti - What a complete snob you sound. What's wrong with someone having an unskilled job? Everyone has different aspirations and different levels of intelligence. For some people no matter how hard they studied they would never be cut out to be a doctor or lawyer and some people wouldn't want that as a career.

Where would we be without refuse collectors, cleaners, shelf stackers etc and all the other people who do vital unskilled jobs.

No-one working class wants an unskilled job, because they're precarious, low paid (unless protected by a union, which is getting rarer and rarer), and the first to be replaced by automation in the name of increased productivity. That's been the case for decades now. Anyone who's still banging on about raising a family on an unskilled job wage has decided to ignore the entire past several decades, and is setting themselves up to be either out of job or being forced to work harder and harder for less and less in order to support a profit margin.

Trying to twist that simple common sense into some sort of snobbery against self-stackers is disingenuous crap.

Peregrina · 24/01/2021 19:53

But if you go back to the statement of why don't miners aspire for something more for their sons, if the doors to being a doctor or lawyer appear to be closed for them, and for many they would be, then going down the pit is much better than being unemployed.

Even within coal mining don't forget that there were skilled trades - they weren't all at the coal face hewing out coal.

TartrazineCustard · 24/01/2021 20:36

There are thousands of skilled trade options, Peregrina. Please don't conflate "unskilled" with "not going to university." Just because the UK has completely fallen on its face when it comes to trade qualifications doesn't mean there are no skills in the trades.

Peregrina · 24/01/2021 21:11

Where have I said that unskilled is the same as not going to university? I was trying to answer the original question posed - why didn't miners aspire to more for their children (sons though in that case). But going down the pit was certainly a better option that a genuinely unskilled job like sweeping a floor in a factory.

DGRossetti · 24/01/2021 21:15

I was trying to answer the original question posed - why didn't miners aspire to more for their children (sons though in that case).

My original point was that Arthur Scargill based the miners strike on providing jobs for the children of miners. Suggesting he had a lack of ambition for them. Why wasn't he fighting for better education in mining communities instead ? As an affiliate to the supposedly aspirational Labour Party ?

Peregrina · 24/01/2021 21:21

Fair point DGR - better education and newer skilled work brought to those areas might have helped them stop being hollowed out.

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