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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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Peregrina · 16/01/2021 22:19

Ah yes, I see that Cornwall is to host the G7. So it's not that he's coming to the UK to do Johnson a favour - it's a meeting of all G7 heads.

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Coquohvan · 16/01/2021 22:30

“ so only LQ, myself, and 3 rather smart ravens ever saw it.”
+1

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Coquohvan · 16/01/2021 22:35

Also COP26 UN climate summit in Glasgow this November.

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Coquohvan · 16/01/2021 22:46

^ where an Air Force 1 will be welcomed into Scotland now.

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Helocariad · 16/01/2021 22:48

🦄🐟🐠🐡🦈🦄

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Peregrina · 16/01/2021 22:54

I suspect that Biden will be very tactful about not appearing to favour anyone.
Remember when he was elected the Brexiters were very quick to claim that he'd spoken to Johnson first, but the official statement just listed the names in alphabetical order.

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Peregrina · 16/01/2021 23:00

Brittany Ferries is bringing the start date of a Rosslare to Cherbourg service forward to Monday instead of starting it in March.

I really would like to see the costings of direct Ireland to France Services compared with Ireland - Wales/England, wait in Kent - France services.

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Peregrina · 16/01/2021 23:13

I am not sure whether this counts as a Brexit bonus or not. Under the Dublin convention asylum seekers could be returned to the first EU country they were processed in, usually Greece or Italy. The UK apparently used this provision with some enthusiasm. It will no longer apply so they will have to process the people themselves. Now if this wasn't for the shitty way that we treat asylum seekers, I would say it was a good thing.

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WorriedMutha · 17/01/2021 00:55

Yesterday I said that RTB would open our new thread with a fishy tale and she didn't disappoint did she. Salmon 1 Gammon 0.

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Whenwillow · 17/01/2021 08:08

As ever in awe of the wit and wisdom on here. Red I hope you have kept copies of your opening posts at least. I fear these threads will disappear one day.

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borntobequiet · 17/01/2021 08:53

Project Fear, I hear you say? Goodness me, who’d have thought it.

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Peregrina · 17/01/2021 09:13

The Tory MPs who joined the now banned App Parler

Gove, Nadine Dories, James Cleverly, Steve Baker, are just some of the usual suspects, even though they are not thought to have posted anything extremist. It just shows where their real loyalties lay. Yes Gove - you have been photographed doing a thumbs up pose with Trump, no getting away from it.

Other usual suspects to join - Katie Hopkins.

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Peregrina · 17/01/2021 09:17

I also read on a facebook page that Patel's loss of police records was not just a coding error, but was a systematic process ordered last November. This I can well believe - a full backup should be taken before a coding change, so any change could be rapidly undone. Needless to say, we haven't yet heard any apology from Patel.

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bellinisurge · 17/01/2021 09:35

https://twitter.com/manonradge/status/1350459808932130817?s=21

And for those who don't like to click Wink, here's someone else's take on this


"What happens if I click this? Oh Shit!"

Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops
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SabrinaThwaite · 17/01/2021 09:44

@bellinisurge

[[https://twitter.com/manonradge/status/1350459808932130817?s=21]]

And for those who don't like to click Wink, here's someone else's take on this

"What happens if I click this? Oh Shit!"

"So I've deleted three hundred and forty thousand thirteen thousand and eighty four records?"
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Songsofexperience · 17/01/2021 09:51

If this can happen, no wonder EU citizens are wondering when it'll be their turn to get their home office records deleted or lost... there was a thread on AIBU about exactly that.

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Tanith · 17/01/2021 10:22

"This I can well believe - a full backup should be taken before a coding change, so any change could be rapidly undone. "

Either:
Government incompetence stretches to the IT department failing to take the regular backups and system backups that should be standard practice
Or:
This was deliberate intention.

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DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 10:27

If the Home Office was following it's illegal policy of retaining all DNA (including from people found innocent, in case they "reoffend [sic]") it's no big loss. Although I imagine a good defence lawyer would be insisting the prosecutions provenance of evidence is up to scratch.

I'd presume Boris is safe for another few months now too.

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Chersfrozenface · 17/01/2021 10:28

Re: the NPC cock up, click here to see what The Register (independent IT news site) has to say:

www.theregister.com/2021/01/15/pnc_records_deleted/

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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2021 10:40

From Aldi Website this morning:

Sunday 17th January
Due to port delays, some of this week's advertised Specialbuys have been delayed and are therefore not currently available online or in-store. Sign up to our email newsletter for availability updates.

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DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 10:44

Week old, but not something I saw before ?

yorkshirebylines.co.uk/johnson-pleads-with-business-leaders-give-me-a-reason-for-brexit/

Within 24 hours of Yorkshire Bylines posting an article about the government’s lack of a coherent strategy or even a slight hint of what EU legislation might be scrapped using our post Brexit freedoms, it appears the prime minister has been reduced to pleading with business leaders to come up with ideas to help him justify Brexit.

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DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 10:56

Definite pattern emerging where it's Brexiteers who are saying "it will get better" and Remainers who are accepting that not only will it not get better, but this is probably As Good As It Gets.

Pleasingly symmetrical with the chorus of "See, the world hasn't ended- just you wait and see" that we got before 1st January.

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RedToothBrush · 17/01/2021 11:09

'shock brexit' is trending on twitter in response to a story about how its come as a shock to small businesses that brexit red tape is problematic.

Hands up here who is shocked?

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Peregrina · 17/01/2021 11:15

I would just like to know what Patel was up to. Although normally I would prefer to attribute events to cock-ups rather than conspiracy, in this case, it's more likely to be the latter.

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