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Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops

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RedToothBrush · 16/01/2021 16:03

Next week sees a changing in the international guard with implications for the UK in a post Brexit world where we are starting to realise we are very much on our own and frozen out.

The government were able to cosy up with Trump much to the EU's distaste, but Biden is a whole different kettle of fish. Assuming of course that things go to plan next week and the USA don't end up with an almighty bloody mess on their hands.

The political landscape change means the US will become much more inward looking to try and sort its own shit out (amongst domestic terrorism and having run out of vaccine supplies with no stock available from Pfizer until June top of the agenda) and what little international diplomacy there is, is highly unlikely to be centred around the desparate needs of the UK.

The EU meanwhile are largely happy with their lot over the Brexit deal and to leave the UK to their fish stew. With the sole exception of Ireland, who strangely enough the EU and US will probably be very willing to help - putting the Irish into a unique bridging position between the two which they can use to capitalise on.

We will be schooled on the benefits of being in the EU the hard way it seems. The Thatcherite dream of frictionless trade has been well and truly krilled off. The future beckons with the beaucratic mess and spiralling cost of haulage to Europe making it financially not worthwhile even for big firms but especially for small businesses. A quick look at the cost of smart phones is revealling, and tells a story. Prior to the 1st you could buy from the EU. Now the only place shipping to the UK is through Hong Kong, with all the extra associated charges and customs. The price has gone up considerably. Already.

The fact that the government are only just starting to stay they are herring about problems and will endevour to resolve them just doesn't cut it. They were told of the issues years ago. They chose to ignore them. They had better things to do. Like go for a nice holiday at their second home in Europe or fancy dinner at an authetic French restuarant. Strangely enough for various reasons these pastimes are currently off the menu its starting to dawn just how we are stuck between a rock and a hard plaice as a consequence.

You didn't need to be a brain sturgeon to see this coming. It is exactly what was predicted. Queues of lorries as post Christmas trade picks up and stock piles run out, but also empty shelves where things like jigsaws, fresh vegetable, cheese, electricals and paper used to be. The sunlight uplands and promise of brexit opportunities are turning out to be a load of old pollocks. It will take years for some sectors to rebalance and adjust. If they make it through and don't end up on the rocks.

It is a turtle disaster for the economy. On top of the covid.

Even the pro-leave fishermen are starting to realise that the deal was a load of carp. And want to dump their rotten langoustines outside Downing Street. Their fish are far from happy and they have finally haddock with the government. It doesn't help that the fisheries minister has openly said she didn't read the deal because she was too busy organising a nativity. Which sums up the whole situation in a perfect way. Its not even incompetence, its total indifference and apathy.

The Penny will drop as the Pound does. We will learn that its better to be a big fish in a medium pond than a medium fish in a huge pond simply because of how the food chain works.

The sharks are slowly circling for Johnson and once the heat is off, and we get to the stage were the messaging doesn't read like 'We want covid to kill you whilst we have a Tory Bunfight' as it doesn't sit terribly well with the public.

The dust is settling and who does Johnson play pin the blame on now? This deal isn't the result of sabotage by remainers. This deal is his and his alone to own. Isolated at No10 Johnson is likely to start to feel increasingly like he has no friends. He has a whalely big job ahead of him to turn things around a plot a new course ahead to the future for HMS Britannia.

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Peregrina · 17/01/2021 14:04

Care to tell me which laws you want to see ripped up?

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 14:08

If we see wages rising especially as there will be fewer workers as lots of EU citizens have left

A positive move in my opinion;
13 Jan -
Morrisons to be first UK supermarket to pay minimum £10 an hour.

www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/13/morrisons-to-be-first-uk-supermarket-to-pay-minimum-10-an-hour

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 14:09

OchonAgusOchonO
Oh good. Now you can help us figure out why UK companies have suspended delivery to the EU due to border delays.

Which company did you order from?

DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 14:10

@Peregrina

Care to tell me which laws you want to see ripped up?
It's a little more subtle than that.

It's what laws do you want to rip up at what cost in trade ?

It's my understanding that every divergence from the current status quo is going to be paid for by the UK in tariffs. Which is why this deal is pure genius on the EUs part. It's all signed now. It will only be when the UK wants to use it, that the price will have to be paid.

Alternatively, we could remain aligned with few tariffs.

Either way, it's our choice now.

ListeningQuietly · 17/01/2021 14:16

Brexit is getting real for more and more people.
Strangely enough they are not liking it.

I have ZERO sympathy for anybody in the Tory Party or who voted for Johnson in December 2019.

I have ZERO sympathy for the Lexiter Corbynites who did not get him out in autumn 2019 so that there was clear blue water between the parties.

I have ZERO sympathy for the people in LibDem HQ whose bonkers policies made them unelectable

All three parties fell for Populism and Identity Politics.

The anger in the USA will be mirrored in the UK when more people realise that both Trump and Brexit were mirages
just with less guns here

Blacktothepink · 17/01/2021 14:16

Carswell has emigrated to Mississippi

sounds like something from a book by Evelyn Waugh GrinGrinGrin

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 14:18

Care to tell me which laws you want to see ripped up?

I thought the EU's Common Agricultural Policy was rubbish - glad to be out of that - and I like the Government's proposals for the new Employment Bill listed here;

scraselaw.com/queens-speech-employment-law-implications/

OchonAgusOchonO · 17/01/2021 14:23

@Clavinova - Which company did you order from?

Allbeauty.com. But there are plenty of other companies that have done the same e.g. Fortnum & Mason, John Lewis.

Coquohvan · 17/01/2021 14:25

[quote OchonAgusOchonO]**@Coquohvan* - DH imports various tech components for his business, when manufactured many are sold out with UK.*

And with the rules of origin, that presumably means tariffs on his exports. That's crap.[/quote]
Yip. We didn’t vote to leave, DH knew there would be additional costs and delays coming. We have this sh&& show to work through and deal with as best we can. Thanks leavers 👎

jasjas1973 · 17/01/2021 14:29

I thought the EU's Common Agricultural Policy was rubbish - glad to be out of that - and I like the Government's proposals for the new Employment Bill listed here

I thought the Govt scrapped/delayed the employment bill?

The way we implemented the CAP was rubbish, too much Pillar 1 and not enough Pillar 2 because that would have cost them with match funding.

Peregrina · 17/01/2021 14:31

I note that the Employment Bill was December 2019 and from a quick skim, yes at lest some provisions seem good. There has been plenty of time to pass the provisions into law. Has it been done? If so, cut and paste a link to it. If they could pass Johnson's wonderful deal through after a few hours debate before the end of the year then there is no excuse for it now being law now. I realise of course that with the Bad Deal were too busy doing other non Parliamentary business to do the job that they were elected for.

DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 14:32

[quote Clavinova]Care to tell me which laws you want to see ripped up?

I thought the EU's Common Agricultural Policy was rubbish - glad to be out of that - and I like the Government's proposals for the new Employment Bill listed here;

scraselaw.com/queens-speech-employment-law-implications/[/quote]
So what additional tariffs with the EU will you be prepared for other people to pay to make that happen ?

Peregrina · 17/01/2021 14:34

I see you answered while I was typing jasjas. Who would have thought that the Government would have been tardy passing laws which looked as though they could benefit ordinary working people.

jasjas1973 · 17/01/2021 14:35

Few if any EU cycle supply businesses now import to the UK, some are saying they are looking for ways around the delays/duty and red tape, others have just stopped.

UK suppliers now have no competition and have raised prices, there is also a lot of shortages in components, bikes and clothing...

...and no, this isn't something we can produce ourselves, there are 3 manufacturers globally, Japanese (shimano) US & Italian (but both very small in comparison)
It would be like suggesting the UK starts building a competitor to Apple or Google.

Clavinova · 17/01/2021 14:35

OchonAgusOchonO
Allbeauty.com.

Clearly delays in the UK as well;
We are dispatching all orders within 24 hours. However, Royal Mail are experiencing delivery delays to some areas. This is due to resourcing issues caused by the current Covid-19 situation, the greatly increased uptake of online shopping and the ongoing Covid-19 working restrictions.

John Lewis claiming not Brexit related;

John Lewis said the move was not related to Brexit, but because its new strategy was to focus on the UK.

John Lewis told the BBC the decision to scrap overseas deliveries was based on company strategy.

"As part of our Partnership Plan for the next two years, in John Lewis we have decided to focus on areas of the business that will deliver products and services for our local UK customers," it said.

"As such, we are no longer pursuing international expansion and decided to cease our online international delivery service in mid-December."

Peregrina · 17/01/2021 14:38

But you have to wonder why John Lewis decided to scrap overseas business. I doubt if it's wholly unrelated to Brexit, even if Brexit wasn't the initial driver.

jasjas1973 · 17/01/2021 14:38

Yes Peregrina, Clav was a bit slack linking to the (deceased) employment bill!

OchonAgusOchonO · 17/01/2021 14:43

@Clavinova - Clearly delays in the UK as well;

They're not using Royal Mail. They are using couriers. The order spent a week waiting for outward custom's clearance, something that would not have been required pre-Brexit. They state: "Due to the problems at the UK / France & Ireland border we have taken the decision to temporarily suspend delivery to all European countries, effective 08/01/21. Orders dispatched prior to this date will be delivered as soon as possible.".

Re John Lewis, the question is why their new strategy is to focus on the UK.

DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 14:44

...and no, this isn't something we can produce ourselves, there are 3 manufacturers globally, Japanese (shimano) US & Italian (but both very small in comparison) It would be like suggesting the UK starts building a competitor to Apple or Google.

Quite aside from patent and licensing issues.

pointythings · 17/01/2021 14:45

Meanwhile over on AIBU, the 'blame the remainers' tactic is being given some more air time: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a4138523-To-think-remainers-should-have-got-behind-mays-deal?msgid=103737290#103737290

OP is getting their arse handed to them.

pointythings · 17/01/2021 14:46

That 2019 Employment Bill doesn't sound very Tory. I can't see the ERG mob voting for it - they want the exact opposite and then some.

DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 14:49

@pointythings

Meanwhile over on AIBU, the 'blame the remainers' tactic is being given some more air time: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/a4138523-To-think-remainers-should-have-got-behind-mays-deal?msgid=103737290#103737290

OP is getting their arse handed to them.

Yes, I noticed some threads popping up.

If I was overly cynical, I'd suggest it was part of a "probing" operation to try and work out what will fly when it comes to shifting blame.

I wouldn't be so dismissive either. In a few weeks time, everything that Trump fucked up is going to blamed on Biden with some success. So in a country where some people genuinely blame Corbyn for the current shitshow around Covid and Brexit, it won't be hard to find a circle jerk of leavers who noisily blame remainers.

Is that a fair collective noun ? Circlejerk of leavers ?

RedToothBrush · 17/01/2021 15:07

You know my thoughts on May's deal. It was the best we were going to get (by that point - and it need not have been the case) But given it was rejected by both sides, I don't see the point in blaming it on either more than the other. By that point all reason had departed and everyone had lost sight of pretty much everything. And even May's deal was a cluster fuck in many respects. Just one that wasn't as dreadful as the shit show we got.

At the end of the day, the definition of 'leaving' was long decided prior to then and thats got fuck all to do with remainers.

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Clavinova · 17/01/2021 15:11

jasjas1973
cycles

Some challenges/negatives but lots of positive statements from the bike industry in this article - 8 January:

Brexit and the bike industry: we ask UK brands, retailers and distributors how the new rules are affecting them.

Mason’s UK and EU customers won't be paying any more for a Mason bicycle than they did before Brexit, with only small delays, of 1 to 2 days, said to be expected for EU deliveries.

For consumers differences should be minimal, which is what we like to hear!

Mason Cycles adds: “We know that with these situations, what may at first seem like barriers or challenges to business actually are the best opportunities to improve your business, learn, and to become more robust and efficient in all aspects of the business.”

The West Sussex brand, Hunt, asserts that from the perspective of customers “not much will differ” and delivery to the UK and UK markets remain completely unaltered.

Hunt admits shipping to Europe is fairly backed up currently, but says “this is just a case of bad timing and was due to the more recent surge in Covid-19 cases—this isn’t something we see as a Brexit problem”. Hunt anticipates shipping times to return to normal fairly quickly.

Hunt says: “We’re currently absorbing the applicable taxes/duties associated with European orders, to ensure that the pricing we offer on our website reflects that which the customer will pay.

“There will be some impacts in terms of paperwork and customs declarations, but that responsibility lies with us. We are handling all the paperwork to make their life for customers as easy as it was before Brexit.”

Luke Humphreys of Pacenti Cycle Design says: “As a company building our wheels in the UK by hand, we only have one main supplier from Europe, Sapim spokes. We get several large orders per year and this import is still relatively easy. We took note of what our courier companies required from us and are well prepared."

Distributors Bob Elliot & Co - “I don’t see any major fallout with my suppliers—we’ll sort something out with them all,” Paul Elliot says.

He adds: “We will try to absorb the costs wherever we can to protect our customers but if we do have to increase pricing for whatever reason then we will do that with minimal effect—whether this will stall sales, only time with tell.”

[we] are getting responses everyday and expect to have agreements sorted with all European suppliers in the next week or two.

For the UK-based retailer Sigma Sports, international deliveries have not been disrupted thanks to an ongoing partnership with Global-e, a third party commerce solutions company.

Sigma Sports says: “We have been in a fortunate position that we already worked with a shipping partner called Global-e for our international customers and this has meant things have been moving quite smoothly.

Specialized has issued a statement saying: “Technically the Brexit deal does not affect our main supply chain from our Asia suppliers. The area where we may be affected is the sharing of inventory with markets within the EU. Inventory is sometimes moved between markets to where the demand is, but this is not the primary method for supply. We are already working on establishing the new process to be as seamless as possible but there will be some disruption.”

road.cc/content/feature/brexit-and-uk-bike-industry-279905

DGRossetti · 17/01/2021 15:16

www.thelocal.fr/20210115/eurostar-in-critical-condition-after-collapse-in-travel-between-uk-and-france

Eurostar, the train operator that runs services through the Channel Tunnel, is in 'a very critical' state after a collapse in travel between Britain and the European continent, a top French rail executive warned on Friday.

Westministenders: Biden Time Til The Penny Drops