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Westministenders: Where's my milk and cheese?

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 06/01/2021 23:47

The 'smooth' exit from transition now leads to a million and one little things that you can't get hold of or took completely for granted.

Why is sainsbury in NI selling spa milk? Why can't you get hold of your favourite food stuff?

Its a slow strangulation of the country.

In which you get to learn all about the merits of the EU and what a donkey Johnson really is.

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bellinisurge · 14/01/2021 09:41

I saw the Stena Ferry story this morning. I am getting a little nervous about what emergency action (as allowed by the Protocol) Johnson is prepared to take to alleviate this situation for people in NI. By which I mean air lifting food that is not compliant with EU standards as required by the single market. And what the EU will need Ireland to do to protect the single market.

OchonAgusOchonO · 14/01/2021 09:53

@bellinisurge

I saw the Stena Ferry story this morning. I am getting a little nervous about what emergency action (as allowed by the Protocol) Johnson is prepared to take to alleviate this situation for people in NI. By which I mean air lifting food that is not compliant with EU standards as required by the single market. And what the EU will need Ireland to do to protect the single market.
It doesn't appear to be quite as simple as BJ or the DUP are suggesting blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2021/01/11/article-16-of-the-ireland-northern-ireland-protocol-offers-no-quick-fix/
Shrillharridan · 14/01/2021 09:56

I'm not counting on a state pension...it would be foolish to do so

Shrillharridan · 14/01/2021 10:00

Give it 10 years and the uk will go the way of Argentina.
We have past glories to trade on, I guess.
We are a country that will not cannot even feed its poorest children.
For the UK to return to any vestige of a decent, democratic country the suffering will have to be seizmic :(

DGRossetti · 14/01/2021 10:01

@Shrillharridan

I'm not counting on a state pension...it would be foolish to do so
We'll probably take advantage of the subsidised Dignitas voucher scheme that's coming in. Run by Baroness Harding.

We'll live forever.

Shrillharridan · 14/01/2021 10:03

Jesus dgr don't even joke.
It'll give the fuckers ideas!

Shrillharridan · 14/01/2021 10:04

Oh. I spelt seismic wrong. Thats Annoying.

DGRossetti · 14/01/2021 10:06

@Shrillharridan

Oh. I spelt seismic wrong. Thats Annoying.
Say you're American*. Style it out.

(* if you think Americans are wrong for using a "z", then you're wrong. By order of Suzie Dent Grin)

Shrillharridan · 14/01/2021 10:08

cough
I'd rather not.
Although, like president elect Biden,"I'm irish"😀

Shrillharridan · 14/01/2021 10:12

I've been pondering...
Surely...surely...someone at no10 was making plans for a potential Biden win?
Because it rather seems to have taken no10 by surprise. The delay in congratulating him, the racist shit about Obama...
Ugh.
It would amuse me if president Biden made his first port of call Ireland then the EU, then the FUKD! Imagine the right wing media frothing!!!
Oooooh, lovely 😀

Peregrina · 14/01/2021 10:16

I too have had fantasies of Biden first visiting Ireland, then both Germany and France and after that the UK.

HannibalHayes · 14/01/2021 10:18

Oh Jesus wept yet again!

Kate Hoey, woman who set fire to the house, fanned the flames, added accelerant, can’t believe it burnt down.

DGRossetti · 14/01/2021 10:23

@Shrillharridan

I've been pondering... Surely...surely...someone at no10 was making plans for a potential Biden win? Because it rather seems to have taken no10 by surprise. The delay in congratulating him, the racist shit about Obama... Ugh. It would amuse me if president Biden made his first port of call Ireland then the EU, then the FUKD! Imagine the right wing media frothing!!! Oooooh, lovely 😀
No. They really are incompetent.

And I suspect Boris - like a certain Mango Mussolini - really doesn't like hearing news he doesn't like. Also, he and Govey-boy had a lot invested in Trump winning, and it's amazing how distorted your perception of reality comes when you are disproportionally affected by one outcome compared to another.

Occasionally, you read or hear something and it won't go. It festers. For me, it was reading last year, after Bidens win, the statement from an aide that Brexit was harmful to the US . Which was quite a bald and unambiguous assertion in a world of bullshit.

If that is broadly true, then there is a very real danger that Boris first conversation with Biden will go:

Er, Hello, Mr. President, blah blah, trade deals, blah blah

Well, Mr. Prime Minister, it's like this. We've got a job to do rebuilding our economy. We also have a job to do to move all our connections with the UK into the EU, now you're not in the club. That's a lotta work, so I know you can understand that there needs to be patience in the UK. Now, I have to go, what with the time difference with Paris ...

And that's before you consider what the optics might be after the Tory support for Trump outside parliament.

Peregrina · 14/01/2021 10:38

Kate Hoey, woman who set fire to the house, fanned the flames, added accelerant, can’t believe it burnt down.

It's worth expanding the link to see the comments.
An interesting comment was that the US helped to create the EU and it won't collapse until the US withdraws support. Well, not sure about that, but it ties in with the comment that Brexit is not in the US's interests.

DGRossetti · 14/01/2021 10:44

@Peregrina

Kate Hoey, woman who set fire to the house, fanned the flames, added accelerant, can’t believe it burnt down.

It's worth expanding the link to see the comments.
An interesting comment was that the US helped to create the EU and it won't collapse until the US withdraws support. Well, not sure about that, but it ties in with the comment that Brexit is not in the US's interests.

Fear of communism is alive and well and powering US politics under the surface. The whole binding of France and Germany after the war, with Italy quickly jumping in was intended to prevent the USSR expanding to the Atlantic.

Thus far, broadly, everyone has benefited. If you like peace that is.

DGRossetti · 14/01/2021 10:47

So we're just two weeks in and here already.

Next month will be fun.

DGRossetti · 14/01/2021 10:53

www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jan/13/fresh-seafood-exports-scotland-eu-halted-fishing-brexit

Deliveries of Scottish seafood to the EU from smaller companies have been halted until Monday, 18 January, after post-Brexit problems with health checks, IT systems and customs documents caused a huge backlog.

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bellinisurge · 14/01/2021 10:54

Thank you @OchonAgusOchonO . I'm pleased to read that first before some Daily Fail bollocks.

Peregrina · 14/01/2021 10:57

Fear of communism is alive and well and powering US politics under the surface.

I'd never viewed it like that, but I can see that it can have had an influence.

On a separate note - thanks to whoever recommended to me Stuart Maconie's The Nanny State Made Me.

I ordered it from my Independent Bookshop (deliberately eschewing Amazon) and read it in a couple of sittings, and it very much resonated with me.

Even the term Nanny state is a derogatory one used by people like the Rees-Moggs of the world who are the ones who have nannies, not those of us who have Nans/Nanas/Grannies. The same sort of Rees-Moggs who are also not shy of claiming state handouts, when it suits them.

Peregrina · 14/01/2021 11:03

Note DGR that even the Guardian had to print a correction to its earlier headline - "The headline on this article was amended on 14 January 2021. The EU is not responsible for halting the exports as stated in an earlier version."

No, let's get it clear. It is Brexit which is damaging trade, which is very ironic for those who didn't mind the EEC because it was supposedly only about trade.

dontcallmelen · 14/01/2021 11:06

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DoctorTwo · 14/01/2021 12:50

I heard an interview with Alasdair Macleod who is of the opinion that, due to massive QE keeping zombie banks alive that the US Dollar's influence in world trade will reduce by the end of this year. His predictions are usually ffairly accurate.

DGRossetti · 14/01/2021 12:57

@DoctorTwo

I heard an interview with Alasdair Macleod who is of the opinion that, due to massive QE keeping zombie banks alive that the US Dollar's influence in world trade will reduce by the end of this year. His predictions are usually ffairly accurate.
Well there's also the petrodollar theory.
SabrinaThwaite · 14/01/2021 13:33

@HannibalHayes

Oh Jesus wept yet again!

Kate Hoey, woman who set fire to the house, fanned the flames, added accelerant, can’t believe it burnt down.

I never thought leopards would eat MY face, sobs woman who votes for the leopards eating faces party.
ListeningQuietly · 14/01/2021 13:43

Possibly more relevant to the Biden / Trump threads
BUT
Interesting to see how racial divides were created to stop the working class rising up against the rich
eu.usatoday.com/story/money/2021/01/14/black-america-history-social-economic-inequalities/5759328002/

The benefit scroungers / hard working families narrative is the UK Tories playing the same game Sad