What have we gained by Brexit/leaving the EU?

[Elephant4]

In simple terms.

I've read so much about what we've lost.

Please no sarcastic comments. I just want to know what we've gained - probably best if those who think Brexit is a positive thing post.

Why did our government press on with it when they must have known there was nothing to be gained.

Because that is what people voted for. Including you. Did you not understand what you were voting for??

Some benefits (if there are any) will become apparent over time or will take time to come to fruition but surely, surely, after all the celebrating the leavers have done and will do, there must be some immediate benefits?

I don’t think the leavers care if there are any benefits or not. They “won” and that’s all they care about.

And when they begin to experience the effects of being a non eu member, eg waiting for an hour at passport control, they’ll probably blame that on the EU.

Well the Devon farmer I quoted above has spotted a business opportunity.

Because that is what people voted for. Including you. Did you not understand what you were voting for??

I think there is a difference here between the 2016 Referendum and the 2019 Brexit election.
In 2016 it was all to play for and I think a good majority, those who stopped to think, thought we would go for an EEA type arrangement. Which would have been good enough for moderate Remainers, and fine for Leavers who were happy with the EEC. It wouldn't have helped the out and out racists, but we are told they didn't swing the vote towards Brexit, and the disaster capitalists would just have to find another way to make money.

By 2019 with the Get Brexit Done slogan, but an absence of detail, those who helped put the Tories in basically said - Whatever, we don't mind. Now that Boris has shafted a good few, they are surprised! No shit Sherlock.

Why did our government press on with it when they must have known there was nothing to be gained.

Because people voted for it.

I hope the Devon farmer does well. Is it The Black Butcher? I read something about the brand earlier and frozen raw sausages.I didn't realise that nowhere else exports raw sausages but then I'm veggie and sausages aren't really on my radar except the veggie frankfurters for Halloween

Yes, it was the Black Butcher.

Did you not understand what you were voting for??

No.

We can do away with employment rights we were previously stuck with eg:

• paid holiday
• rest breaks
• freedom from age, pregnancy, sexual orientation, religion and belief and transgender discrimination
• the obligation to consult collectively when making large scale redundancies
• the obligation to honour employment contracts on a business sale or merger
• the social model of protection for disabled people at work
• equal pay for women
• the right to withdraw from an unsafe workplace
• the right to safe and adequate personal protective equipment
• the right to be informed before your employer sells the business
• the obligation to pay uncapped compensation if you engage in discrimination
• fair treatment if you work part-time
• fair treatment if you are an agency worker

We have gained the freedom not to be stuck with any of these pesky laws forced on us by the EU and to go our own way in our race to the bottom.

We have form here already as one of the least regulated labour markets, with among the cheapest and easiest means of sacking people in the developed world.

Yippee.

Britannia Unchained here we come.

Tom Petty eat your heart out.

news.sky.com/video/brexit-businesses-face-uncertain-future-12174453

Eel Farmer who voted for, supported and appeared in a UKIP pro-Brexit ad admits his business probably won't survive with the new guidelines around UK-EU trade.

The eel farmer, who exports solely to EU countries admits his regret.

I'm sorry, but what a fucking idiot. What the hell did he think was going to happen? He already had seamless, tariff free exports. What stopped him trading to countries outside the EU if he really wanted?

Also, free roaming charges in EU countries will also end.

A nightmare for those on the NI border

We'll be free to make new deals with other countries as well as EU and to create our own laws. I understand that government will be free to bolster industries which they couldn't do before under EU regs. We can have different rules for immigration e.g points based system and same rules for all. We won't be tied to EU regulations. We will be more independent. It could turn out well. I think those were the main reasons for Brexit.

We'll be free to make new deals with other countries

We always were weren't we?

The main mobile phone network providers have said they have no plans to introduce roaming charges.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.cityam.com/mobile-roaming-will-i-be-charged-for-using-my-phone-in-the-eu-after-brexit/amp/%3futm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR0kQHeY-ylUfTqTStMRVkRrC24lNrqwxSjG0Mf7VFp5aPr_XIdEXEubsYo

That's lucky then. But if they decide a bit later that they would like to introduce charges - then they can. And will.

Thanks disorganised purpose. The only thing for me is if someone in a normal organisation came to me with “we will have new deals” and zero detailed plans for next 3 years a week before the deadline - and at the same time there was a list a mile long of things we were losing - I would think they were a complete incompetent and talking rubbish and it was all a fantasy . Don’t you really mean more honestly that the economic price will be huge but any price is worth paying to make our own laws (which we could do already by the way ...) and then list the personal sacrifices you are making for this (maybe you will be happy to pay personally additional tax for the eel business people who lost their jobs )

*We'll be free to make new deals with other countries

We always were weren't we?*

No I don't think so. This is one of the main benefits promoted. We were not able to make an independent trade deal with other countries while in the EU. The EU as a whole could make a trade deal though with an external country.

So much negativity. I do hope you feel better soon OP even if you seem determined not to find any positive in a situation which you say you voted for.

EU is generally far more racist than the UK and has many for voters prepared to support it. (French national front got 21% of the vote in the 2017 election). EU rules on favouring EU workers over non-EU workers is inherently racist.

This is ridiculous. Surely it is more racist to only favour UK workers instead of treating workers from 27 other countries (and their multiple different ethnicities) as equal to UK workers? Because thats what Brexit did, it made ALL workers less than UK workers.

I found it very revealing when even the most avid Euro-sceptic and Leave advocate, Jacob Rees Mogg told a journalist that it will take fifty years for the U.K. to recover from Brexit and only then will benefits accrue. He can now say that on repeat the rest of his career and never have to answer for anything the next fifty years.

@Elephant4

Did you not understand what you were voting for??

No.

This is why such a complex issue should not have been put to a referendum.

It looked like a simple and binary question. Unfortunately the answer was and remains anything but simple.

This is ridiculous. Surely it is more racist to only favour UK workers instead of treating workers from 27 other countries (and their multiple different ethnicities) as equal to UK workers? Because thats what Brexit did, it made ALL workers less than UK workers

That’s a bit ridiculous too and certainly not racist.

U.K. workers should be given priority in their own country if they have the requisite skills for the job and if not then the opportunity is opened up globally through a points based system which I think is fair. What isn’t fair is favouring an application from within one bloc of 27 making any other applications outwith inferior even though the skill set is exactly the same. If you have the required skills for a job you should be able to apply from anywhere in the world, that’s fair.

I posted this on another thread but it’s appropriate here if we are talking ethnicities and representation in EU.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-bame-eu-parliament-members-ethnic-minority-a9315036.html%3famp

@PlanDeRaccordement

I found it very revealing when even the most avid Euro-sceptic and Leave advocate, Jacob Rees Mogg told a journalist that it will take fifty years for the U.K. to recover from Brexit and only then will benefits accrue. He can now say that on repeat the rest of his career and never have to answer for anything the next fifty years.

Except that that is not what he said - suggest you re-listen to the interview.