What have we gained by Brexit/leaving the EU?

[Elephant4]

In simple terms.

I've read so much about what we've lost.

Please no sarcastic comments. I just want to know what we've gained - probably best if those who think Brexit is a positive thing post.

No one can give any benefits because in the short to medium term the benefits are entirely intangible - mainly, the deal provides some "feel good" benefits for people who support Brexit. It's just a shame that the brexiteurs who are posting on here seem not to be getting that fuzzy warm sensation. Why are they letting a bad outcome on fish spoil their Christmas week?

Well there are more fish so that should be good... right?

Pity about the financial services sector still we can all eat a bit more mackerel

There are no tangible benefits - as is amply demonstrated by the
shills/brexiteers on the Brexit Arms thread popping up out of the blue to try to pretend that the Oxford vaccine is a benefit of Brexit.

I voted Remain and am devastated that we have left.
However, DH (IT) has got a lot of work from the transition and is being paid a better daily rate - ironically he is a British/German dual national and is currently working on a govt Brexit project with his Spanish and Polish colleagues
I work in Pharmaceutical Reg affairs and where there was one project (EMA) there are now 2 (EMA and MHRA) so we can double charge our clients
So for us it’s great - plus due to DH dual nationality we can leave if things get too shit but I can’t see any advantage for the population in general.

@TerryHearn

When we joined in with Europe did all of its benefits come immediately or were they funnily enough built up over about 50 years?

Strange that.

This is entirely untrue.

We knew what many of the outcomes of joining the EU would be when we went in.

Benefits in trade, education, healthcare and research etc etc etc. We were in decline following the buoyancy following WW2 and needed the security of The bloc. Scarily we find ourselves in a similar decline about to leave that security!

Again @TerryHearn, can you please list the benefits you forsee when we leave Europe. Three will do.

Otherwise we will all have to assume that you didn't know what you were voting for and have made a massive mistake.

Everyone's complaining about the fish. German fishermen complaining in an FAZ article a few days ago about how their government had let them down so badly, French fisherman apparently (according to my French friend this morning) equally furious. There was always going to be a phased approach on fish with a lot of work left to do.

Anyone coming into the UK now to live and work won't be able to access benefits system for 5 years, same as anyone coming from all other non EU countries

If everyone’s complaining it may be a fair compromise.

Well there are more fish so that should be good... right?

Erm, no. The fishing quotas for the UK have been reduced as well. I know that Boris is parading this agreement as a great triumph of sovereignty but that is not what trade agreements are for so this agreement looks like a desperate attempt not to screw the country further when Tories’ bullying “negotiating” technique failed on the eleventh hour.

Anyone coming into the UK now to live and work won't be able to access benefits system for 5 years, same as anyone coming from all other non EU countries

Believe it or not that was already in place before Brexit.

I now appreciate my EU passport/ citizenship more. I thank my lucky stars that my dc have also inherited EU passport/ citizenship.
Also it's about £40 cheaper to renew their euro passports compared to their British passports.

Not asking for the disadvantages of Brexit, unfortunately, as is clear on this thread, we know all about those. Just one benefit, not even a little list of them now, of leaving the European Union, that isn't racist or xenophobic?

@TerryHearn

When we joined in with Europe did all of its benefits come immediately or were they funnily enough built up over about 50 years?

Strange that.

So you agree there were benefits from joining the EEC/EU... which we've now lost.

Thankyou.

Now, lets have a list of these brexit benefits? You'll be the 3rd leaver i've asked, no replies yet.

Try to stay calm when answering.

I feel slightly sad today wrt the EU.
There were lots of things not to like (eg the frequent decampments to Strasbourg) but I do think on the whole it was a force for good. Especially things like the blue flag scheme for beaches and roaming charges etc - these helped ordinary people.

I think within ten years we'll be clamouring to rejoin.
I now regret my vote.

The Oxford vaccine is not a benefit of Brexit, it's a benefit of good scientific and medical research. Something that Leaving is not going to improve by making it more difficult for EU researchers to come here.

There were supposed to be benefits remember? Not standing still or making things worse.

@Mistigri

Honestly I have never seen such a bunch of bad winners in my life.

And yet you post this on the 'Enders thread: I've totally got over Brexit tbh. I'm only here for a bit of gentle trolling of bad winners. They are happy winners Mistigri who just happen to get drawn in by your self-confessed trolling.

I don’t think there’s anything positive about it. I was a staunch European at the start and I am one today. I’d genuinely like to know a tangible benefit, if only to feel less despair about our current situation.

Those in favour of Brexit only seem to offer preening or insults.

@mummabear74

Please can you link the original so I can read it in full.

The main benefit of Brexit is that laws rules and regulations are now returned to the UK. We can't be dragged into a Federal
Europe by default.

UK can be world focused (eg replacement of erasmus with a worldwide scheme) but also allow for more localisation of supply chains. I can well imagine it will take 50 years for the benefits of both to become apparent.

I do laugh at people talking about disability benefits of being in the EU. Having travelled with DS in a wheelchair, I can tell you I am always relieved to come home. Britain as a population are (generally) responsible and forward thinking. Everyone population has its bigots but on the whole, I'd rather have British bigots voting for the people who make our rules than European ones.

@Figmentofmyimagination
This is what scares me the most (as someone who works for a true Brexiteer and would absolutely love to get rid of everyone’s pesky rights which are just getting in the way of his making a profit)

The main benefit of Brexit is that laws rules and regulations are now returned to the UK. We can't be dragged into a Federal Europe by default
We are tied to EU regulations with this deal, of course we can choice not too (as we could before) but as before there will be consequences in imposition of Tariffs.

UK can be world focused (eg replacement of erasmus with a worldwide scheme) but also allow for more localisation of supply chains. I can well imagine it will take 50 years for the benefits of both to become apparent

The UK could have had a global student exchange scheme whilst still in the EU, indeed many Uni's have their own schemes, usually with American universities.

We don't have enough of the engineering skills to make everything Toyota or Ford might need.
When we did have localised supply chains, we produced total crap, Leyland cars or (the old) Triumph motorcycles, 1970s bikes based on pre war designs.

But look what the reborn Triumph factory has done whilst IN the EU? become a serious competitor to the Japanese and european 'bike makers, they export 85% of production, brexit has made that more expensive, with more delay, with its non tariff barriers, they already had factories outside of europe.

They are happy winners

Maybe they are happy, but quite honestly they don't behave like they are. Happy people don't react like this:

you had your chance. You blew it

you aren’t calling the shots anymore

Stop wittering on here

Better put their dummy back in

If you can't be happy without insulting and demeaning others, what does that say about you? Some brexiteurs give the impression that they won't be happy until every last remain voter has prostrated themselves naked in a display of submission. It's a funny sort of "happiness" ~shrugs~. Maybe I'll use you all as research subjects for my next book.

@Hazelnutlatteplease it's on the European Commission website attached to this press release

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip200_2531

We are tied to EU regulations with this deal, of course we can choice not too (as we could before) but as before there will be consequences in imposition of Tariffs.
Quite. But actually unpack that. If you are a remainer this is a good result, frictionless tariff free trade. European employment rights etc maintained. But we can if we want. For some of us Brexiteers that is good enough.

But look what the reborn Triumph factory has done whilst IN the EU?
And whose to say we can't do better out the EU? Loss of expertise has as much to do with the removal of technical colleges as anything else

The UK could have had a global student exchange scheme whilst still in the EU, indeed many Uni's have their own schemes, usually with American universities.

Then why are we mourning the loss of Erasmus?

@mummabear74

Thank you.

But actually unpack that. If you are a remainer this is a good result, frictionless tariff free trade.

But it’s not “frictionless” trade - customs forms, rules of origin, SPS checks, and virtually nothing on services for instance.

It’s better than falling back onto WTO terms, but that’s a very low bar.