What have we gained by Brexit/leaving the EU?

[Elephant4]

In simple terms.

I've read so much about what we've lost.

Please no sarcastic comments. I just want to know what we've gained - probably best if those who think Brexit is a positive thing post.

[OchonAgusOchonO]

@sashagabadon - please don't refer to Ireland as Eire. Firstly, the word eire means burden and is not in any way related to the Irish name for Ireland, which is Éire.

Secondly, it is generally considered to be offensive when used in the English language due to the history of its use by British people.

One of the main reasons the UK has rolled out their vaccination programme so quickly is because the astra zeneca vaccine has been approved in the UK, while they have only just applied for approval in the EU. The NHS centralised system is also a huge administrative benefit for the programme. It's also difficult to compare countries directly as some countries are only counting someone as vaccinated when they have had both jabs.

[Peregrina]

I stopped reading the Bild article the moment it mentioned America and the vaccine roll out. A country which had a President which encouraged the spread by decrying mask wearing. Yes, to be praised! More like attempting to shut the door after the horse has bolted.

As for the live animal ban - well, let's see our own Government implement it first. It won't alter the fact that we have lost influence when it comes to EU countries banning it.

[Kendodd]

The worse thing is that we haven't even gained the great benefit of Nigel fucking Farage shutting up and going away. He did say though that if Brexit wasn't a success he'd Leave the country so I suppose we've still got that to look forward to.

[Peregrina]

But at least Carswell has bunked off to the USA and the Mississippi which I assume was a Trump state. So he's not been a hypocrite and gone to an EU country.

[Kendodd]

I did read that Farage was in Texas a little while ago agitating for the break up of their union (not sure if true). I don't think they ask on immigration forms anymore 'have you come to overthrow the US government ?' Anyway, I'm hoping he's charged with treason (would that be the right offense?) in the US for going to trump rallies after the election and saying it was stolen and the crowd needs to 'stop the steal'.

[Peregrina]

The problem with Farage being convicted would be that he was deported back to the UK and banned from the USA. Whereas ideally they should keep him.

[RedToothBrush]

I wish farage would just fuck off. Hes been dogwhistling again today.

[sashagabadon]

[quote OchonAgusOchonO]@sashagabadon - please don't refer to Ireland as Eire. Firstly, the word eire means burden and is not in any way related to the Irish name for Ireland, which is Éire.

Secondly, it is generally considered to be offensive when used in the English language due to the history of its use by British people.

One of the main reasons the UK has rolled out their vaccination programme so quickly is because the astra zeneca vaccine has been approved in the UK, while they have only just applied for approval in the EU. The NHS centralised system is also a huge administrative benefit for the programme. It's also difficult to compare countries directly as some countries are only counting someone as vaccinated when they have had both jabs.[/quote]
Both my parents are Irish , one from the south and one from the north and I have tons of family in both parts. I have no British ancestry at all. I have an Irish passport too that I am pretty sure has Eire written on it. I don’t know how to do the accent on the E or I would have done it. We all use Eire to refer to the south to distinguish it from the north. I have never in 50 years of living and visiting Ireland heard that it is offensive to call the south Eire. That is completely news to me!

[Peregrina]

É Caps lock Alt and E does it on a PC Keyboard. Easy enough to do.

If you are Irish, you should want to get it right.

[sashagabadon]

Thanks Peregrina. That is helpful. I will use that next time I write the word

[sashagabadon]

Re. The point about some countries are only counting those that have had two jabs? Do you know which countries? Must be presumably ones that have not registered any vaccinations yet?

[Cohenlover]

Re. The point about some countries are only counting those that have had two jabs? Do you know which countries? Must be presumably ones that have not registered any vaccinations yet?


France

[Smiledwiththerisingsun]

Fish?

[ListeningQuietly]

Why is it OK to drive live animals from Cornwall to Cumbria
but not from Dunkirk to Ostend?

Why is it OK to transport animals from Scotland to Belfast
but not from Bayonne to Sane Sebastian?

The EU's attitude to moving livestock reflects the reality that farms straddle borders
(as they do between Northern Ireland and the Republic)

THe UK's obsession with cross channel transport of animals
ignores the fact that Kent to Northumberland is still allowed

[Bearfamily1010]

@jasjas1973

The UK was not free to stop it, please educate yourself on this topic

You perhaps need to to read what i wrote.....

If the UK really wanted to ban live animal exports for slaughter, it would, any ECJ court case would be many years away, if at all

That is a shame, but not as much a shame that the EU continues this cruel and terrible practice despite all scientific evidence. The EU are not even considering this issue, basically because it makes a lot of money

So only UK animals matter?
..and you are fine with animal exports for breeding and restocking, that happens both ways, many 1000s of animals and across the EU far more.

This is a concrete benefit of the leaving the EU, and is well underway, There really is no argument against it

Nope, its a proposal, opposed by the NFU... nothing concrete.
Also, how do think countries that share land borders in the EU and NI/ROI will manage?

As i said a while ago, the answer for all of us and for the climate is to eat less meat, less animals slaughtered and less transported for any reason.

So your serious suggestion is that the UK should be forced to break the law to stop a cruel and inhumane practice? Your suggestion is that it is ok to break the law, as long as you’re a member of the EU? Especially as they will do so little to stop it? You say those things as if they’re positives.

You want to fight to be part of an organisation so toothless that it’s acceptable to break whatever laws an individual member state wants to, no matter the impact on other members?

I do not feel that only UK animals matter, but I would rather we stopped what we are able to. We do not control other countries, and sadly as part of the EU we could not even control our own live exports. As part of the EU we have had no success with changing live exports, and I find it abhorrent that you expect animals to continue to needlessly suffer so that we might have a chance at influencing from within.

I am not ok with animal exports for breeding and restocking purposes, and now that we are out of the EU, I can vote in a party that might change it. Tell me how I could have changed this before.

You are correct and I fully agree that we need to eat less meat, less slaughter and less transport. A ban on live exports can be the start of this, and it’s sad that you fail to acknowledge this as a good thing for both the animals and our planet. It seems clinging to the EU is more important to you than doing the right thing.

[sashagabadon]

@Cohenlover

Re. The point about some countries are only counting those that have had two jabs? Do you know which countries? Must be presumably ones that have not registered any vaccinations yet?

France

Are you sure that’s true? Our world in data lists countries with at least one jab and also a separate list of fully vaccinated/ two jabs. France appears on the one jab list but not on the two jabs / fully vaccinated list at all. Surely if they were only counting both jabs they would be showing the same numbers for both?
Not saying you are wrong but our world in data website doesn’t seem to be saying this?

[Peregrina]

So your serious suggestion is that the UK should be forced to break the law to stop a cruel and inhumane practice? Your suggestion is that it is ok to break the law, as long as you’re a member of the EU? Especially as they will do so little to stop it? You say those things as if they’re positives.

Ha bloody ha. The UK needn't talk about other countries breaking laws, when they were quite happy to tear up an International treaty that they had voted for without reading less than an year earlier. Similarly it was more important for one of Johnson's Government to organise a Nativity activity than read the deal he'd negotiated that she was going to be asked to vote on.

[jasjas1973]

I am not ok with animal exports for breeding and restocking purposes, and now that we are out of the EU, I can vote in a party that might change it. Tell me how I could have changed this before

So how does a UK farmer get animals breed in the EU and vice versa to enable him to continue farming?

You are correct and I fully agree that we need to eat less meat, less slaughter and less transport. A ban on live exports can be the start of this, and it’s sad that you fail to acknowledge this as a good thing for both the animals and our planet. It seems clinging to the EU is more important to you than doing the right thing

Whether its a good thing is not the important issue, the way we farm is.
As LQ stated, animals in Cornwall can go to slaughter many hours away.
Because of cruelty uncovered in UK slaughterhouses, vets are now required to be present, we don't have enough vets, so local SH have been closed plus many vets are from the EU, they have gone back, leading to more travel to be slaughtered.

I want a better deal for all farm animals, not just the comparative few in the UK, we cannot do that outside of the EU.

You sound very passionate about animal cruelty but try not to make it personal please, just because i disagree with you doesn't mean i don't care too.

[Peregrina]

So nearly a thousand posts and benefits are

the tampon tax is removed 6 months earlier than it might have been, and if Brexit hadn't scuppered the negotiations it might already have been removed.

We approved a German invented vaccine more quickly than the EU and started its roll out more quickly.

We might introduce better animal welfare rules - but this hasn't happened yet.

[Bearfamily1010]

@Peregrina

So your serious suggestion is that the UK should be forced to break the law to stop a cruel and inhumane practice? Your suggestion is that it is ok to break the law, as long as you’re a member of the EU? Especially as they will do so little to stop it? You say those things as if they’re positives.

Ha bloody ha. The UK needn't talk about other countries breaking laws, when they were quite happy to tear up an International treaty that they had voted for without reading less than an year earlier. Similarly it was more important for one of Johnson's Government to organise a Nativity activity than read the deal he'd negotiated that she was going to be asked to vote on.

This really has no relevance to the point I am making, or the discussion we are having here. Making irrelevant points doesn’t change anything.

[Peregrina]

It most certainly is relevant - we have a Government which thinks it can ignore or break laws if it suits them, and anyone who backs them can't really condemn other governments for not implementing their own laws fully.

[jasjas1973]

@Bearfamily1010 Lets see if Johnson is true to his word.

I suspect the proposals will be watered down to "improved transport standards"
Doubtless sold as a Brexit benefit too.

[Bythemillpond]

Those who think Brexit is great will not want to read this
but they should
chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.com/

I only read a little and stopped when it came to the shortages in shops.

What shortages?

I haven’t seen any shortages. Everything I buy is there on the shelves. I haven’t noticed any empty shelves.

May be there are places with empty shelves and food shortages but not where I am. I use a wide range of supermarkets and not one hasn’t got what I want when I go in.

[Peregrina]

And you have checked all the shops in the UK? I have noticed shortages.