What have we gained by Brexit/leaving the EU?

[Elephant4]

In simple terms.

I've read so much about what we've lost.

Please no sarcastic comments. I just want to know what we've gained - probably best if those who think Brexit is a positive thing post.

This guy campaigned for UKIP and appeared in their promotional videos and now bitterly regrets voting for Brexit-
twitter.com/HackedOffHugh/status/1343890893745565696?s=19

Here he is in a UKIP video two years ago

🙈

I can't believe he thought being in the EU meant he could only trade with the EU.
FFS, this guy's business turned over £2 million a year 🙈

I saw this earlier on Twitter comparing the Brexit agreement with EU membership.

This is a clearer version from the European Union website

And more

Yeah I saw that too @mummabear74
Very clear and concise. And depressing.

I was and still am a moderate remainer and I am still cautiously optimistic, but I must admit that my current optimism stems from mainly sticking my head in the sand and hoping that everything will eventually be alright because some people still passionately believe they’re right in voting for Brexit so I’m still waiting to hear the good news. Now we’ve got the deal, how long do we wait before we decide this is or isn’t working?

However, I’ve yet to hear from any Brexiters about what will happen to the EU subsidies to Cornwall, English farmers etc.? Where will the money now come from? Also why are some Brexiters ardently opposed to Scotland becoming independent? I mean, can Scotland remain in the EU after Brexit unless it becomes independent and rejoins? And if there are more separatists than unionists after Brexit and Scotland actually becomes independent, what does this mean for the rest of the UK? Is it more beneficial to be a part of a trade bloc or trade on one’s own? I’m afraid such questions do not have clear cut answers so there I go back to my head in the sand...

@TerryHearn

We gained several million Remoaners who seem to have Stockholm syndrome over the EU. We haven’t even moved out of the transition period yet and they are demanding to see a list of Brexit effects. They’ll have to wait. No one cares what they think. They aren’t driving the car anymore. They are strapped into the child seat in the back. Better put their dummy back in.

Effectively saying:

'Errr I still don't know what I voted for'

@Walkintal

As with all these threads remainers refuse to accept there are benefits (many listed) to leaving. It is perfectly possible to accept these as good new, whilst still thinking they are less good than staying in. It is also perfectly reasonable to see these as better than staying in. It is perfectly reasonably for those of us who have family outside the EU and regard the racist parties with significant vote share and representation in the EU with horror to be glad to leave and know that our family and country will be treated equally from now on. It is also perfectly reasonable for white people in this country to prefer white free movement and be scared of other colours being treated equally.

List please?

As for the rest of your racist post - really not doing much to dispel the general thinking about remain voters.

@DisorganisedPurpose

*We'll be free to make new deals with other countries

We always were weren't we?*

No I don't think so. This is one of the main benefits promoted. We were not able to make an independent trade deal with other countries while in the EU. The EU as a whole could make a trade deal though with an external country.

I am not an economist, but my understanding is that one of the main benefits of being a country making trade deals as a member of a 28 country strong trading bloc is that together, the bloc could get a better trade deal with countries outside their bloc than a single country trying to make a deal on its own. If that is correct, this Brexit deal is surely the opposite of beneficial for the UK?

@Walkintal

As with all these threads remainers refuse to accept there are benefits (many listed) to leaving. It is perfectly possible to accept these as good new, whilst still thinking they are less good than staying in. It is also perfectly reasonable to see these as better than staying in. It is perfectly reasonably for those of us who have family outside the EU and regard the racist parties with significant vote share and representation in the EU with horror to be glad to leave and know that our family and country will be treated equally from now on. It is also perfectly reasonable for white people in this country to prefer white free movement and be scared of other colours being treated equally.

Which benefits, apart from the dubious improvement in fishing rights and permission to be xenophobic and racist, have been listed? Please, please, give us your list of actual positive benefits to the average British tax-payer/employee/zero hours contractor (not the 1% of British billionaires who benefit from not being constrained by the new EU tax avoidance legislation, which I believe is why the top Tories wanted Brexit in the first place).

@Elephant4

We gained nothing and time will show that.

Wtf was that eel farmer thinking? He exports live fish solely to the EU. Duh.

‘I need both my legs to walk but someone told me there’d be better options out there if I chopped them both off so I did.’

Maybe one of the upsides will be more eels for the uk. Perhaps we will see the return of the once popular 18th C street snack and good protein source, jellied eels.

As with all these threads remainers refuse to accept there are benefits (many listed) to leaving

Where are they listed?
Replicating trade deals we already had isn't one of them and we've still some way to go.
Vaccine fiasco's aren't one either as any eu member state could have gone their own way (as Hungary did) and we didn't know about CV in 2016.
there is possibly the argument that UK govt won't be able to hide behind the EU excuse anymore but as i said to another leaver, aside from tampon tax (going in a year or so anyway) what other examples are there? she didn't answer.

I really hoped that one benefit would be marine conservation but nope, the idea is to fish exactly the same across europe, we need less fishing not more and if that idiot cant catch elvers anymore? good, they are in serious decline.

A possible longish term bonus:
That the USA will no longer look to the UK as a bridge to the rest of the EU but will forge more direct links with France and Germany especially.
So this silly idea that the UK has a 'special relationship' with the USA will get knocked firmly on the head and make the country (or what's left of it!) wake up to the fact that it's now a medium sized country, and not a big top dog, and start to cut its cloth accordingly.

A bit tenuous maybe.

TerryHearn Tue 29-Dec-20 21:58:44"
"We gained several million Remoaners who seem to have Stockholm syndrome over the EU. We haven’t even moved out of the transition period yet and they are demanding to see a list of Brexit effects. They’ll have to wait. No one cares what they think. They aren’t driving the car anymore. They are strapped into the child seat in the back. Better put their dummy back in."

Such an immature response.

Another possible bonus:
Eel stocks in the Severn recover, because the businesses which relied on EU trade but voted leave have gone bust.
In the short term, very damaging for those who lose their jobs, but medium to long term good for ecology which in turn is good for humanity.

"Our fishing industry will recover".

The sunlight uplands are simply dazzling me.

@Toptotoeunicolour
Here is what JRM said when asked when will effects of Brexit be known:

Rees-Mogg: “We will know at some point, of course we will. But it’s a question of timescale.”

Guru-Murthy: “So how long have you got?”

Rees-Mogg: “We won’t know the full economic consequences for a very long time, we really won’t.”

Guru-Murthy: “Of course not, but I mean we’ll have an indication. We’ll know if there’s been chaos, we’ll know if there have been job losses.”

Rees-Mogg: “The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years.”

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/jacob-rees-mogg-economy-brexit_uk_5b54e3b5e4b0de86f48e3566?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJJbMGS75CDZPbElM-VKBJE7jal1AUTRKHkqPh10ENHc2MPH4ebIBjYZ2Ua9cB5rcfiVAxHtx4UtzSFZsI3HHhqDoYk5T9O11vpVtShDabmyzaaNe5KtgjvGN3bmZpbDjFZZNQMzUIEioIMNg9ttg04O7dtj5eXe6J-58-GHmBMN

If you have the required skills for a job you should be able to apply from anywhere in the world, that’s fair

@HeyHeyImABeLeaver
I agree the above would be fair, but Brexit is going backwards not forwards towards that goal. In the EU 550 million get preferential treatment ahead of the rest of the world. Outside the EU, only 65 million get preferential treatment compared to the rest of the world. It’s more exclusionary, not less.

Rees-Mogg: “The overwhelming opportunity for Brexit is over the next 50 years.”

By which time a majority of the people who voted in the referendum will be dead. Including him, but he will make sure he has passed his wealth on to his children.