Deal!!!!!!!!

[Bathroom12345]

Just been announced

Pants. Rule takers and not rule makers. Worse terms than we had before. All for a fucking blue passport which the Slovaks have anyway. Well done Johnson you utter wankerish buffoon.

bath we don't need good news. We're not five FFS.

We need facts and ideally a half decent PM.

@SonjaMorgan

I'm a remainer. I was convinced we wouldn't get a deal that would make it worth all the cost and upheaval of this process. I still feel the same. I also believe that any deal is better than no deal.

Me too. Of course any deal is better than no deal. But it is nowhere near as good as what we had. I'm relieved, and I hope it works out for us moving forward. But I don't think I will ever be convinced that we are better out of the EU than in. Thank fuck my DCs have Irish passports so haven't had their rights chucked down the toilet.

If only they had voted for Theresa’s better deal a couple of years ago, we’d be in a much better place. But as always, politics got in the way of doing the best for the country.

I'm relieved because I couldn't bear a no-deal Brexit in a pandemic.

That doesn't make 'good news' out of 'not as utterly fucking terrifyingly bad as it could have been' news.

@Pepperwort

What idiot said remainers would be disappointed? Did you not get the lesson of restricted freight, or even stoppages, affecting our food supplies!! Not to mention medicines. And if that is what did it then may all the gods bless Macron and France.

It will not be as good as being members, but hopefully it’s a start. It’s much much better than nothing, although there probably will be delays and restrictions.

I suspect the reality of a large number of lorries parked all over Kent might have had a bit to do with it.

Relieved there is a deal rather than no deal. Will have to wait for the details to see how much worse than what we had it is.

Now the long campaign to rejoin begins.

Voted Remain.

I actually think it's an ok deal...

I really didn't expect it to happen. Thank the Lord it did.

And yes - nothing's as good as "staying in" but.... that ship has sailed. :(

Leaving Erasmus will contribute to killing off MFL learning (what's left of it) in the UK, taking soft power along with it.
Ireland will benefit to some extent.

Trying not to too much at the fact that the "alternative" Turing programme, about which nothing is known despite those involved having had 4 years to plan it, has a name that doesn't exactly bear witness to tolerance and open-mindedness.

There is no way anyone on this thread has seen the 2000 pages and worked out what it all means.

That includes you, OP @Bathroom12345, or are you part of the tedious inevitable SPAD action team assigned to Mumsnet? Even then I doubt you've seen it.

@megletthesecond

bath we don't need good news. We're not five FFS.

We need facts and ideally a half decent PM.

Well indeed. Next it'll be 'Johnson gave us a Chistmas deal so he could see the joy on our little faces'.

So creepily infantilising when you think about it, imo.

@StealthPolarBear

May had a deal. It was voted down. Aren't we back there?

May was trying (and failing) to get through the withdrawal agreement. She never got to the trade deal but. Boris got the WA through just after the Dec 2019 election, hence the U.K. left the EU end of January 2020

There was always going to be a deal and it was always going to be last minute. The EU don't want other members thinking it's easy to leave now do they..

Boris was upbeat today about the Turing scheme. Then it went vague on the actual details.

Boris was upbeat today about the Turing scheme. Then it went vague on the actual details.

Quite. I'm heavily involved in Erasmus exchanges between the UK and EU, been waiting for years for clarity, working for months on setting up ad hoc bilateral agreements for the 2021-22 academic year and BJ's speech was the first time Turing has been mentioned.

The bilateral aspect is also vital...

The Economist says it’s an agreement on a hard Brexit. As well as Erasmus we’ve lost Galileo. Interestingly it seems services aren’t included either, or foreign policy. Nor data transfer. Somethings been hammered out about level playing fields, but “as a recent report from the House of Commons Brexit committee points out, most businesses will still be ill-prepared for the changes to come on January 1st. Chaotic disruption can be expected. This week’s lorry queues in Kent, caused mainly by restrictions related to the covid-19 pandemic, were a warning.”

Labour accepting it and voting for it

@MintyMabel

If only they had voted for Theresa’s better deal a couple of years ago, we’d be in a much better place. But as always, politics got in the way of doing the best for the country.

Can you say more about the parts you mean?

I thought it was the WA

@Pepperwort I haven't seen anything (nor am I particularly likely to want to go through a 2000 page document at Christmas tbh), but obviously have chatted with old colleagues. They think the challenge will be getting it past the far right Tories. I think they will just vote 'yes' to make the end of 2020 go slightly more smoothly. Not sure where the Economist got their info, but everything has an angle.

Also, use of Galileo was a vast error in terms of security: not only are there consistent accuracy issues, it's also been vulnerable to cyberattacks. Leaving the EU and maintaining use of that satellite would leave the UK very vulnerable.

We will all suffer the consequences of leaving, it was a monumentally bad decision, but I'm glad we've got any deal as no deal would have been a disaster. This deal will be very negative for the economy, but for Johnson that can be hidden under the pandemic so he'll be happy tonight.

@BlackForestCake

Now the long campaign to rejoin begins.

Yep. This deal is the first step towards that. As industries start demanding better agreements over the coming years, I imagine we'll be renegotiating in small steps until eventually rejoining.

Every big computer system is vulnerable to cyber attacks, especially a high profile one associated with security. I don’t see that as a unique issue with being in the EU, but quite prepared to be told otherwise.

As for Labour, they only had two choices really. Either they go all-out for a new referendum on rejoining, or they accept the deal we have. Whining somewhere in the middle gets none of us anywhere, especially not at this late date. It’s a shame - and quite telling - that it’s still the Tory extremists we need to worry about.

[quote sergeilavrov]@Pepperwort I haven't seen anything (nor am I particularly likely to want to go through a 2000 page document at Christmas tbh), but obviously have chatted with old colleagues. They think the challenge will be getting it past the far right Tories. I think they will just vote 'yes' to make the end of 2020 go slightly more smoothly. Not sure where the Economist got their info, but everything has an angle.

Also, use of Galileo was a vast error in terms of security: not only are there consistent accuracy issues, it's also been vulnerable to cyberattacks. Leaving the EU and maintaining use of that satellite would leave the UK very vulnerable.[/quote]
I honestly don’t think Boris needs to worry about the hard right on his party. Just heard Michael Howard on the radio saying how happy he is with the deal and praising Boris!
Even Farage is saying “ war is over”.

Personally I thinks it's good.

I also expected it to go down to the wire.

After all each side wants their interested parties to think they held out the longest!

I didn't vote leave.

But once it was happening I started to pay attention to the Brexit argument more and realised there wasn't a chance the EU wouldn't form a deal.

We may have left but both sides still need each other!

@sashagabadon In which case, this might be the twistiest twist to 2020 if everyone passes it. I'm not sure how to feel about that. Perhaps the end of the world happens with the end of Flash Player instead of Brexit. What a year.