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What does Macron think will happen to fishing rights if there's no deal?

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YoureNotOnTheList · 09/12/2020 08:27

I'm a bit puzzled about this. Macron is marching round like the little Jupiter he is, grandstanding for his home audience, who he hopes will re-elect him in 2022.

Fishing rights play well for him. But, er, what will happen to fishing rights if he manages to precipitate No Deal by vetoing a deal?

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Bluethrough · 09/12/2020 08:33

There are many issues blocking a deal, not just fishing, no deal means uk fishing lose a very important export market.

What does Bojo think think will happen to the UK s car industry or airbus if there is no deal? does he even care?

HMSSophie · 09/12/2020 09:03

Oh naff off OP. What happened to Johnson's "oven ready deal"? Johnson and the leave clan can enjoy their hubris. Stupid idiots. Fishing rights have been a known issue for four years. What have we done other than stamp our feet and make demands, demands that were never ever going to be acceptable to the EU.

HMSSophie · 09/12/2020 09:06

It is not Macron precipitating no deal. There was a deal. We opted to take it back, Johnson being the prime example of an MP who "grandstands" for the purpose of elections. Stop criticising Macron and look at the utterly incompetent and self serving fuckwits in our own Houses of Parliament

PirateCatQueen · 09/12/2020 09:12

D’you want some cheese with your fish?

DGRossetti · 09/12/2020 10:30

@PirateCatQueen

D’you want some cheese with your fish?
Presumably hard cheese ?
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YoureNotOnTheList · 09/12/2020 10:32

So I see that nobody can answer my question - what happens to fishing rights if there's no deal?

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YoureNotOnTheList · 09/12/2020 10:33

And, er, it is Macron threatening to veto the deal over fishing rights.

www.cityam.com/brexit-france-reiterates-veto-threat-over-fishing-rights/

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Honeyroar · 09/12/2020 10:36

We’d probably go back to the days of fishermen actually fighting over pitches again if there are no agreements. Current EU rights would be void, wouldn’t they.

FortunesFavour · 09/12/2020 10:36

I have no idea OP but it is a very good question. What does happen with fishing rights if there’s no deal? Can anyone explain?

DGRossetti · 09/12/2020 10:37

@YoureNotOnTheList

So I see that nobody can answer my question - what happens to fishing rights if there's no deal?
I'm more worried about what happens to Harrods if there's no deal. After all, Harrods turns over far more than the entire UK fishing industry.
houseinthesnow · 09/12/2020 10:38

I guess the French fisherman and the entire industry will from the 1st of January (3 weeks time) be out of a job completely. That is why it makes good sense to strike a compromise.

WhereverIGoddamnLike · 09/12/2020 10:40

Macron can only veto the deal over he fishing rights issue if a deal is agreed by everyone else and put forward first. That seems highly unlikely to happen due to Johnson and his grandstanding and blustering.
He got elected by going on about an oven ready feal and blaming everyone else for messing it up while saying he would get it finished. Then he did the exact opposite. Macron wont need to veto anything because it probably wont get past Johnson.

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YoureNotOnTheList · 09/12/2020 12:05

I'm glad that some PPs actually understand my point! I don't see how No Deal could be better for French fishermen than a compromise. So that means Macron is bluffing, yes?

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houseinthesnow · 09/12/2020 12:05

Well then it is no deal and that is the end of it. I should imagine the other 26 countries, many of whom rely on the UK may have something to say about that though...

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YoureNotOnTheList · 09/12/2020 12:06

I'm more worried about what happens to Harrods if there's no deal. After all, Harrods turns over far more than the entire UK fishing industry.

Same goes for the French fishing industry, @DGRossetti, which Macron is making such a fuss about. What's your point?

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YoureNotOnTheList · 09/12/2020 12:07

@houseinthesnow

Well then it is no deal and that is the end of it. I should imagine the other 26 countries, many of whom rely on the UK may have something to say about that though...
Ireland especially...
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houseinthesnow · 09/12/2020 12:11

I don't know op, Macron needs to be seen to be fighting for his fishing industry yes, and clearly they are worried about an even playing field so I think there is some genuine purpose - how far he will push it, I am not sure. Macron would perhaps wouldn't be unhappy with the UK leaving with a no deal, I imagine he wants this to be as painful as possible.

Johnson has his brexiteer hardliners holding a gun at his head, so he does not have much room to move on his red lines. Many think a no deal would be much better for the UK and would welcome a WTO clean departure. So in effect, Macron and the Brexit hardliners have a lot in common for different reasons.

There is a landing zone for compromise though, which is where most other people are, if that prevails - the middle road it will be on fishing and competition. I think it is doable but it is far from certain at this point.

houseinthesnow · 09/12/2020 12:13

Ireland will be in the S* which is why they have been in France in the last few days. They must be furious with Marcon. The deal was nearly done, until this happened.

houseinthesnow · 09/12/2020 12:14

If the fishing industry is now going to be UK based it will obviously be much bigger than Harrods Grin and it will create many thousands of jobs in deprived areas, so not a terrible plan at all.

notimagain · 09/12/2020 12:49

I'm a bit puzzled about this. Macron is marching round like the little Jupiter he is,

Did your source for that observation also mention that the French PM ( Mr Castex) spent some time talking to the French fishing community last week, and advising them that they should expect change, but that they would be supported?

Is it just possible certain elements of the MSM, especially in the UK are not quite telling the whole story?

houseinthesnow · 09/12/2020 12:58

It is also possible that Macron is thinking about his election chances in 2022

TeenyTinyDustinHoffman · 09/12/2020 13:01

I still don't see why we think we have any leg to stand on with regard to fishing... We sold our quotas. They weren't stolen, they weren't donated, they were sold.

ListeningQuietly · 09/12/2020 13:02

@TeenyTinyDustinHoffman

I still don't see why we think we have any leg to stand on with regard to fishing... We sold our quotas. They weren't stolen, they weren't donated, they were sold.
THIS
houseinthesnow · 09/12/2020 13:06

www.bbc.co.uk/news/52420116

This gives a very good summary on how the quotas work and why they are tricky. Indeed teeny needs to take on board that the UK can and will adjust quotas to come to UK ports, are legally bound to be based in the UK and benefit the UK. The quotas may not be withdrawn but new laws stipulating how it will work in future.

Read the link.

It is not a case of selling a quota and the owner having it for life. It does not work like that.

MissEliza · 09/12/2020 13:06

Why is nobody prepared to give a sensible answer? I'd also like to know who will be allowed to fish in the absence of an agreement but I guess expecting a sensible answer on MN was overly optimistic.