What does Macron think will happen to fishing rights if there's no deal?

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I'm a bit puzzled about this. Macron is marching round like the little Jupiter he is, grandstanding for his home audience, who he hopes will re-elect him in 2022.

Fishing rights play well for him. But, er, what will happen to fishing rights if he manages to precipitate No Deal by vetoing a deal?

UK could easily sell the fish to countries outside the EU, and probably will if there is no deal
That’s nice. We’re all so relieved. This international trade thingy is such a doddle, isn’t it?

@YoureNotOnTheList
"So I see that nobody can answer my question - what happens to fishing rights if there's no deal?"

First of all once we leave the transition period all fishing rights revert automatically to the U.K. there are no foreign rights despite EU allocations being sold by holders. If there is a deal then the U.K. can chose to trade some for other benefits. Make sense to do so as we could never catch Alan the fish in our waters.

@HMSSophie

Oh naff off OP. What happened to Johnson's "oven ready deal"? Johnson and the leave clan can enjoy their hubris. Stupid idiots. Fishing rights have been a known issue for four years. What have we done other than stamp our feet and make demands, demands that were never ever going to be acceptable to the EU.

Why don’t you try debating the point sensibly rather than throwing insults around. Your naff off comment is immature and childish. And for the record I voted to remain and do not like Johnson but I am fed up of reading comments like these just because someone dares to argue against the popular or most vocal opinion. Macron is not without criticism himself in this matter and in reality there will be fault and ego at play on all sides.

Well I actually have been out all afternoon, not visiting St Basil's

I'll just catch up with all these pages.

Agree it must be ringing massive alarm bells in eastern countries. They've survived and escaped being subsumed by the ussr. They celebrated being allowed to be countries with their own identities, culture, languages and governance again and we all cheered along with it knowing it was better for countries to be self governed and have their own interests served.

I struggle somewhat with people being anti ussr but all up for a Europe wide superstate. People make assumptions of everyone who doesn't agree with the eu project with its ever closer agenda that don't fit everyone. I'm anti eu, anti global multinationals serving their own interests and being above the laws and tax rules of nation states and against more and more centralised power.

I personally believe we need the boundaries to be drawn at the country level. Sure have treaties, international conventions etc but the biggest governance should go is the nation imo. We don't even all manage to agree on being a uk with some countries of the uk aspiring to independence and disdain at being ruled by somewhere as close/far as London.

Why is it considered to be a product of old age, racism or ignorance to want to keep governance and decision making as close to stakeholders as possible? The more local the power the more chance there is of using it to serve local, contextual issues and interests. The interests and issues of eg Poland and France are vastly different as are their economies and their values. Trade deals is one thing ever closer laws, economic policies, immigration policies etc are quite another.

Shift change

@bellinisurge

Shift change

@houseinthesnow

No, the quotas will be carefully regulated by the fishing regulators here in the UK miss

The government have said they will deploy the British navy to ensure that it is safe and the rules are adhered to.

I applaud your optimism, but the Navy doesn't have enough boats to do that.

@bellinisurge I hope the google if reference wasn't aimed at me as I am already aware of it and as stated in my post military escalation is absolutely not what I want - I'm a remainer although deeply eurosceptic - I voted for what I thought would be the greater good but I've been unhappy with many of the EU policies and practices for years

....landing only in the UK manned by British crews.

Who will crew these boats if they have to be British, this is assuming that the one time trawler owners want to buy boats again.

Why is it considered to be a product of old age, racism or ignorance to want to keep governance and decision making as close to stakeholders as possible? The more local the power the more chance there is of using it to serve local, contextual issues and interests. The interests and issues of eg Poland and France are vastly different as are their economies and their values. Trade deals is one thing ever closer laws, economic policies, immigration policies etc are quite another

Its not but you should be accurate in your statements, the EU is very popular in most of the former Soviet bloc states - e.g. Poland has a 84% favourable rating of the EU.

The EU doesn't make laws in the UK, there are rules & minimum standards...but by enlarge we make all our own laws... health, social care, public services, transport, almost all taxation, education, defence, leisure.

How can you have a trade agreement without dispute resolution? safety standards? state subsidy (that allows a country to undercut another) rules on tariffs? product conformity?

The "ever closer union" you refer to is taken completely out of context, it refers to the "ever closer union of the peoples of europe"

We are taking/have taken a monumental backward step but its done now, we'll never rejoin.

Yournot I will answer your question.if there is no deal Macron's fishermen will have no access to our waters.
Macron is only concerned with his re-election and trying to punish the UK.
The remainers on here will not answer you because they don't like the answer. They want to blame Boris for everything including Macron's foot stamping.

Macron will do what Germany tell him In the end. He needs to make a show of protecting French interests for the incoming elections.

We are taking/have taken a monumental backward step but its done now, we'll never rejoin.

Never say never. I didn't expect Communism to collapse but it did. I never expected to see the Good Friday Agreement, although the current right wing Tories do not seem to be bothered about it. That was a real achievement initiated by another Tory, John Major.

"if there is no deal Macron's fishermen will have no access to our waters. " nope. We'll just have to use the Royal Navy to stop them.
Brexiteers' wet dreams come true

Expect clashes between UK and French boats, as there were when Devon Scallop boats went into french waters to fish, even though the agreement had expired..... it didn't stop them.

It wont stop EU boats from continuing to fish either.

Hope you are right Peregrina, maybe when Bojo is gone, there will be a closer relationship over time?

Didn't the Devon scallop boats end up having to dump their cargo on the quayside, or was that Jersey fishermen?

We do need to get rid of more than Johnson - we need to see the end of Redwood and his kind. We need to get back old fashioned Tories of the calibre of Grieve.

Maybe the British can all eat more fish instead of exporting it. Maybe the waters will be fished less in line with reduced demand and fish can flourish for once.

We are increasing defence spending, maybe we will buy some new boats for the Navy.

I have said all along that some of the fish caught here just needs better marketing. How many people go to Spain and happily calamari but turn their noses up at Squid? Or are quite happy to try merluza but hake - well that's a bit boney, isn't it?

Buy new boats for the Navy and build in British shipyards - well, it would be good if we did. But we tend to go for vanity projects like new aircraft carriers that we can use in the South China Sea not little coastal assault boats.

@jasjas1973

Hope you are right Peregrina, maybe when Bojo is gone, there will be a closer relationship over time?

Surely a closer future relationship is likely just due to geography and economic 'gravity'?

That's what I think when I'm feeling optimistic (which is unusual for me, so happy to be corrected to a more pessimistic viewpoint).

That's nice. This defence procurement thingy is such a doddle, isn't it?